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Stanford professor who changed America with just one study was also a liar
New York Post ^ | November 2, 2019 | Susannah Cahalan

Posted on 11/11/2019 9:01:49 AM PST by null and void

His research work was also groundbreaking. In 1973, Rosenhan published the paper “On Being Sane in Insane Places” in the prestigious journal Science, and it was a sensation. The study, in which eight healthy volunteers went undercover as “pseudopatients” in 12 psychiatric hospitals across the country, discovered harrowing conditions that led to national outrage. His findings helped expedite the widespread closure of psychiatric institutions across the country, changing mental health care in the US forever...

...Had Rosenhan been more measured in his treatment of the hospitals, had he included Lando’s data, there’s a chance a different dialogue, less extreme in its certainty, would have emerged from his study, and maybe, just maybe, we’d be in a better place.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: california; insane; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkpost; sanity; sciencetrust; stanford; susannahcahalan
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To: _Jim

My ex both worked in a state hospital and was a “guest”.


21 posted on 11/11/2019 9:36:41 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: null and void

And today we know it’s the 35% of voters who are registered Dem.....


22 posted on 11/11/2019 9:38:58 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Rosenhan? Rachel Carson? Bill Ayers? Alfred Kinsey?

You have left out Dr. Benjamin Spock. I guess you guys are too young.

23 posted on 11/11/2019 9:45:09 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: ClearCase_guy
Rachel Carson was a bad scientist. We got rid of DDT and we didn’t need to. Her science was flawed.

And millions continue to die.

24 posted on 11/11/2019 9:52:10 AM PST by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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To: null and void

Just as we as a society NEED to have prisons for those who commit serious crimes and have no will to change their views we also desperately need insane asylums to proliferate to an extent . 100’s of thousands experience temporary mental breakdowns when due to certain circumstances they simply break and perform acts entirely out of their normal range of emotions . The cost to our society and jails/prisons housing the chronically mentally ill is colossal in terms of monetary and damage to the individual . I see first hand those within our society who should be institutionalized and yet they get cut a disability check are prescribed serious drugs and are then prey to the “therapy” industry and other public programs which are FOR PROFIT and these individuals are nothing but publicly funded cash cows who revolve form jails to treatment centers and it is a costly circle jerk . Families get fatigued along with Police, medical and every other agency that has to deal with these poor souls . One thing that is perverse is that these persons who just flounder along until they either O.D. or get incarcerated for a long stretch have better insurance and Guaranteed money every month no matter what they do.....who pays this ? You and me . This is why I am FOR mental institutions to PLEASE make a comeback . It is a fact of humanity that some persons for whatever reason are just not right in the mind and an asylum is the best way overall to try and deal with a facet of being human .


25 posted on 11/11/2019 9:59:39 AM PST by mythenjoseph
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To: ClearCase_guy; All

We also got rid of Freon when we didn’t need to.

But... imagine this.

You are the producer of a useful product that is the best in the world at what it does, and it earns you millions- if not billions.

But the patent is about to expire, so everyone else can start making it.

So you plant news stories that your own product is ‘bad for the environment’ and get the whole country upset that the ozone layer has a hole.

Then you get your own product banned, and you replace it with a new product, that you hold the patent on.

A product that is inferior in every way AND is so caustic you need to handle it with hazmat equipment.
Now you are the only producer able to sell the new product and (surprise!) a bunch of product handling equipment.

If Freon is bad for the environment, this new stuff cannot be any better.

Just a theory... but bad science got rid of DDT, and gave us Global Warming, so it’s been done before.


26 posted on 11/11/2019 10:08:36 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
yet nobody proposes doing away with prisons.

Starting on Jan 1, 2020, NYC is doing away with prisoners.

27 posted on 11/11/2019 10:14:03 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Ancel Keys?


28 posted on 11/11/2019 10:19:32 AM PST by GnuThere
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I don’t know if Rachel Carson was an academic, but, not many people can say they have singlehandedly launched a movement that has killed *hundreds of millions of people*. Not Hitler, not Mao Tse-Tung, not Stalin, and not many others.

But Rachel Carson can. Most of her victims have been minority women and children, to boot.


29 posted on 11/11/2019 10:45:38 AM PST by coloradan (The Enemy Media isn't chartered to inform but rather to advance the interests of certain elites.)
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To: null and void

Confirmation Bias...drove Charles Darwin as well


30 posted on 11/11/2019 10:48:27 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: null and void

Confirmation Bias...drove Charles Darwin as well


31 posted on 11/11/2019 10:48:56 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: null and void

She started the article pointing out that she herself was misdiagnosed with a mental illness. Right there, she’s admitting the system is flawed.

But, let’s agree that people who pose a danger to themselves or others should be committed. What behavior should we consider dangerous? If someone makes an empty threat during an argument, should that person be committed? Suppose “depression” is listed in the record.

There was a mental hospital in my hometown, and a few students in our high school were sent there over drug use or something. Probably their parents sent them there. It was not a nice place. Each time, the teen was released very quickly. But, while there, one was assaulted by another patient.

Another question is, who wants the hospital in their town? The hospital would place patients in our town to be treated as outpatients. Most were nice people struggling with an illness. But some of those patients weren’t mentally ill; they were just violent psychopaths.


32 posted on 11/11/2019 10:51:25 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

Psychopathy can be reliably and objectively diagnosed by fMRI.

Then what should we do with them, hmmm?


33 posted on 11/11/2019 11:57:35 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: null and void

Stanford = ivy plague school


34 posted on 11/11/2019 12:12:34 PM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: null and void

Smells a lot like global warming and hockey stick research with doctored data inputs to create the hockey stick. These guys’ data needs to be subjected to rigorous peer review rather than votes in the UN to affirm their doctored data.


35 posted on 11/11/2019 12:42:47 PM PST by chuckee
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To: chuckee

Bingo! You think banning DDT killed a lot of people, imagine how many city dwellers will die when the diesel trucks don’t run!

It won’t be pretty for monoculture farmers either.


36 posted on 11/11/2019 12:53:46 PM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: null and void

Politicians wanted no part of funding benefits for mental patients, who don’t vote. The guy was pushing on an open door.


37 posted on 11/11/2019 1:31:19 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: null and void

Here’s a Stanford prof who TELLS THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH!
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
The Looming 1984 Election
As is true of ALL his commentaries, THIS ONE IS A MUST READ & SHARE!
https://ussanews.com/News1/2019/11/10/the-looming-1984-election/


38 posted on 11/11/2019 3:03:10 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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Got all the mental health facilities closed throughout the country. Now the public has to deal with them all while they’re on their drugs to “help” them.


39 posted on 11/11/2019 3:10:17 PM PST by USCG SimTech
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Lies
Then damned lies
Then statistics.
End of possible descriptors


40 posted on 11/11/2019 3:12:29 PM PST by USCG SimTech
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