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Boris Johnson accidentally made an incredibly compelling argument against his own Brexit deal
Business Insider ^ | 8 Nov 2019 | Thomas Colson

Posted on 11/08/2019 4:54:58 AM PST by Cronos

Speaking at a meeting of local Conservatives in Northern Ireland on Thursday evening, the prime minister said: "Actually, Northern Ireland has got a great deal. You keep free movement, you keep access to the single market, but you also, as it says in the deal, have unfettered access" to Great Britain.

This poses a rather obvious question.

If retaining free movement and staying in the European single market is such a "great deal" for Northern Ireland, then why has Johnson prioritized a Brexit plan that would prevent the rest of the United Kingdom from having that same access and freedom?

"The Single Market and freedom of movement are a great deal — even Boris Johnson recognises this — so why isn't he keeping them for the whole of the UK as part of the many benefits of EU membership?" Liberal Democrat MP Tom Brake said Friday morning.

...His comments are also a gift to the Scottish National Party.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, whose SNP party is launching its own election campaign on Friday, will now surely argue that if staying close to the EU is such a "great deal" for Northern Ireland, then why can't all the other nations of the UK be given this deal too.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bojo; brexit; cronosclown; cronostroll; eutroll; euweenie
The SNP are going to use this.

I'm pretty sure they are hoping that Boris will win the election to give them even more alienation in Scotland and win the next infyref handily

1 posted on 11/08/2019 4:54:58 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
False premise put forward in the article.

Business Insider is a far left source.

2 posted on 11/08/2019 5:07:47 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
If retaining free movement and staying in the European single market is such a "great deal" for Northern Ireland, then why has Johnson prioritized a Brexit plan that would prevent the rest of the United Kingdom from having that same access and freedom?

Brexit does not prevent having access to the European single market.

It rejects all the other mandates that have little to do with the market.

The UK would gladly accept access to the Market without all the other mandates. Probably something like the Swiss arrangement.

3 posted on 11/08/2019 5:10:53 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
As per Media Bias fact check the Business insider is a center left source

In comparison Huffpost is LEFT and Daily Telegraph is RIGHT, while the Guardian is Left and the Sun is Right

4 posted on 11/08/2019 5:18:52 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: marktwain; tennmountainman
Brexit does not prevent having access to the European single market.

Actually the plan put forth is for leaving the European single market.

Do you want Brexit to be the UK remaining in the European single market? Then that's at odds with a lot of people's interpretation of Brexit

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Oh wait you said The UK would gladly accept access to the Market without all the other mandates. Probably something like the Swiss arrangement. -- you do realize that "the Swiss arrangement" is

So, am I understanding it correctly that you want the UK to follow these same rules as Switzerland?

5 posted on 11/08/2019 5:22:34 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos; marktwain; tennmountainman

You didn’t seem to speak to the stated issue.

Brexit will not prevent access to the EU market.

Once Brexit occurs, the market composed of buyers and sellers will adjust. Buying and selling will resume


6 posted on 11/08/2019 5:38:48 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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the statement was Brexit does not prevent having access to the European single market.

Not about access to the EU market.

As evidenced in MT's further point about getting the same access as Switzerland to the EU common market

7 posted on 11/08/2019 6:05:21 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos
I see the Globalist EU troll is back peddling Brexit hate.
Your search the left wing media every day for the Biggest Pack of Brexit lies/ spin and then post it here .

Are you a paid EU Globalist astroturfer ?

8 posted on 11/08/2019 6:07:29 AM PST by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: Cronos
The Revised Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration: a briefing note

Executive Summary

The Treaty permanently restricts our military independence, demands payment of an unspecified sum, prevents independent arbitration, grants EU officials immunity from UK laws, leaves us with EIB contingent liabilities running into tens if not hundreds of billions and will impose punitive laws on the UK during a transition which is likely to be extended until mid 2022 (just a few months before the next General Election).

The Political Declaration is such that a future FTA with the EU is made unpalatable because it will restrict our foreign policy and military independence as well as policies in trade, tax, fishing, environment, social and employment, competition and state aid. Free movement is replaced with vague notions of "mobility" and "non discrimination".


Specific Provisions in which the Withdrawal Treaty:-

1.Restricts Parliamentary independence

Just as before, the Court of Justice of the European Union (ECJ) governs the entire Treaty and EU law takes precedence - binding future British Parliaments and requiring judges to overturn laws passed by the British Parliament if the ECJ considers them to be inconsistent with obligations in the Treaty. (Articles 4, 87, 89 and 127).

2. Restricts independent trade policy

Although there is no longer any reference in the Political Declaration to "building on the customs territory" the new provisions may still create difficulties for the UK in agreeing trade deals because any FTA with the EU must satisfy principles and objectives that include "ensuring a level playing field for open and fair competition" (para 17) and "deep regulatory and customs cooperation" (para 21). This will make it difficult for the UK to reduce non-tariff barriers as a means to facilitate a trade deal with a third country - particularly the United States.

The Political Declaration requires that a FTA "ensure no tariffs, fees, charges or quantitative restrictions across all sectors with... ambitious customs objectives that are in line with the Parties' objectives and principles" (para 22). This does not exclude the possibility of a Customs Union. It is not clear how the UK could protect its industries against dumping by third countries with which the EU has FTAs.

The problem also remains that there is no definition in the Withdrawal Treaty for the word "goods"

and so its scope will be interpreted as the ECJ determines from time to time (Articles 127, 184).

3. Prevents an independent tax policy

The Political Declaration still obliges the UK to adopt a future relationship which will impose EU State Aid rules and "relevant tax matters" on the UK (para 77), the EU specifically intends to curb the UK's ability to have "harmful tax practices", the Withdrawal Treaty also applies EU law to the UK during the transition period (Article 127) - allowing the EU to sue the UK, including infringement proceedings for: as yet unidentified breaches of State Aid rules (which can take the form of tax exemptions); and billions in unpaid VAT on commodity derivative transactions dating back to the 1970s (Articles 86 and 93).

4. Controls Fishing

The CFP continues in UK waters during the transition period (which can be extended) but the UK will have no say in its implementation or enforcement. After the transition, the Political Declaration requires "cooperation on... regulation of fisheries, in a non-discriminatory manner" (para 72), which is code for continuing the current arrangements for EU access to UK waters.

The Political Declaration also requires that any FTA "ensure service providers and investors are treated in a non-discriminatory manner, including with regard to establishment" (para 29) - this would prevent the UK from introducing the modern equivalent of the Merchant Shipping Act 1988 which sought to protect the British Fishing Fleet's quota from being bought-up by foreign owners (and which was the subject of the infamous litigation in Factortame).

5. and 6. Prevents independent military action

The Treaty permanently restricts the UK's sovereignty by preventing the UK from taking "any action likely to conflict with or impede" EU foreign policy (Article 129(6)). It is instructive that this contrasts with almost all the other sub-sections of Article 129 - each of which include language limiting them to the duration of the transition period.

It is also very revealing in the Political Declaration that critical parts of the section on foreign policy and security are not reciprocal. For example, para 99 confirms that the future relationship will not "prejudice the decision-making autonomy of the EU" but no such language is afforded to the UK - we are merely permitted to "maintain the right to determine how [to respond] to any invitation to participate in operations or missions".

Additionally, in the Political Declaration the parties "agree to consider" security collaboration in the European Defence Agency, the European Defence Fund and PESCO "to the extent possible under [EU law]" (para 102(c)) which is a prescriptive obligation and not merely a permissive option. Despite making payments to the European Defence Agency during the transition period, British troops in EU battlegroups will not be led by British staff officers (Articles 129(7) and 156-157).

7. Restricts Foreign Policy

The UK will be bound by international agreements concluded by the EU despite having no influence in their negotiation during the transition period and must "refrain, during the transition period, from any action... which is likely to be prejudicial" to the interests of the EU (Article 129(3) and (6)).

8. Demands Payment of a sum to be decided by the EU

Possibly a 39bn payment to the EU according to HM Treasury but as that amount can't anticipate EU fines and contingent liabilities it's just a minimum figure (Articles 138-144, and 152-155).

9. Replaces one Commission with another

A new body is established with 'powers equivalent to those of the European Commission' (Article 159).

10. Prevents independent arbitration

The UK is expressly denied the right to take any dispute about the Treaty to the international courts and must accept the exclusive jurisdiction of the Arbitration Panel (half of whom are appointed by the EU) and, via it, judgments of the ECJ (Articles 168, 174).

11. Grants EU officials immunity

The EU and its employees are to be immune to UK regulations, criminal law and exempt from tax (Articles 101, 104, and 106-116).

12. Imposes a gagging order on the UK

The UK must keep all EU information confidential but the EU can use UK information as it sees fit. (Articles 74 and 105).
Go read the whole thing. "Deal BRexit" appears worse than "No Deal BRexit"
9 posted on 11/08/2019 6:23:18 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: ncalburt
Nope. Are you a paid Globalist astroturfer?
10 posted on 11/08/2019 6:32:24 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

A great deal for Norther Ireland is not a great deal for the rest of Britain. Their circumstances are different. They are the only part of Britain that actually has a land border with an EU state. Really not hard to understand.


11 posted on 11/08/2019 6:52:27 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Thanks

1. this doesn’t bind it - firstly, cases against the UK can be brought up before the ECJ only in the interim period until December 2020 - that’s the transition period. The ECJ has enough backlog and takes enough time that nothing is going to happen quickly

2. that’s only if the UK goes for an FTA post Dec 2020. During the transition period and after the UK can freely sign and agree on any kind of trade treaty with anyone

3. Again, this is only during the transition period when the UK can be sued - but the case won’t come up quickly and will be thrown out as it is an ex-member

4. that is true

the rest are in the same vein as 1,2 & 3 - except for the dues fulfilment which is what was expected in any kind of deal or no deal


12 posted on 11/08/2019 7:08:40 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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