Why These Women Walked Away From the LGBT Lifestyle

Those struggling with same-sex attraction or hoping to walk away from a homosexual lifestyle may find some encouragement from Liz Flaherty and Elizabeth Woning, who both once lived a lesbian lifestyle.

While leading their own organizations to help individuals transition out of homosexuality, Flaherty and Woning are also a part of a growing movement called Changed—a supportive and loving community of those who once identified as LGBTQ+.

In today’s episode, we sit down with Flaherty and Woning to hear their stories and discuss some of the current legislation being advocated that could have detrimental effects on organizations that offer counseling services for those struggling with homosexuality. Read the lightly edited transcript, posted below, or listen on the podcast.

Virginia Allen: I am joined by Liz Flaherty and Elizabeth Woning. Liz and Elizabeth both lead or co-lead Christian organizations that work with people who are seeking to walk away from the homosexual lifestyle or who are struggling with same-sex attraction. Liz and Elizabeth, thank you both so much for being here.

Allen: So Elizabeth, you co-lead a ministry called Equipped to Love in California with Ken Williams. And we actually interviewed Ken [on the] podcast back in May and heard a bit about his journey from struggling with same-sex attraction to now being married to a wonderful woman and having a family. But today I would love to hear a bit about your story.

You lived as a proud lesbian for quite some time and even as an openly homosexual pastor in the Presbyterian church. So when did you first come out as a lesbian and how long did you live in that lifestyle?

Some of us men are great ! Unfortunately for women - not many !

When you marry a womanShe must become the most important thing in your life from that point on for the rest of your time on the planet!

Wait on her every need - take care of her completely- make her love you like the sun coming up !

and you will be the happiest man on earth( to
You ). And will be jealous of no one !

day in and day out they will never let you forget who they are, because the obsession is mental illness. My experience, A Halloween party you would think would bring out the creative nature in any party go’er but include 2 lesbians and you guessed it. with two multi colored wigs lets everyone know who and what they are. They want to be accepted which most people could care less but those who are more than accepting and battered to death with reminders and threats if you cross their line

Every lesbian I have met - and I lived in SF for a few years, so that was a large number - has either had no father or a bad father, and has been sexually or emotionally abused by a man. It’s a reaction and a desire to seek safety that makes them avoid men.

So I agree. Better men result in fewer lesbians - that doesn’t mean men should be wusses, but they should be real men, courageous and protective of women and children.

There are probably some lesbians who don’t fit this description, particularly now that it’s just in vogue to be gay, but these are my observations.

So with legislation such as the Equality Act, how are you all viewing that...? If that was passed, what kind of effect would that have on ... counseling those that are maybe seeking to come out of this lifestyle?
Woning: Well... H.R. 5, the Equality Act, and similar bills… the No. 1 impact ... is the imposition of an ideology [onto] all of us who’ve left the LGBTQ life … [A]nyone who has gone to the work of questioning their sexuality and found resolution, ... we know that perpetuating the lifestyle... places this bondage... on a person, never opening the door for them to understand ...repressed needs, repressed traumas.
So we’re imposing an ideology that would perpetuate brokenness, emotional brokenness, on a generation.
I talk to so many people who might never entertain the possibility of being gay or lesbian were it not for unobtrusive thought, someone’s bullying or someone’s suggestion, “Oh, you’re gay... You don’t meet the stereotype for what a man or a woman is and so therefore you’re obviously lesbian or gay.”
And if just the mere suggestion would cause you to begin questioning your sexuality … Because for me, for example, until I met my first girlfriend and we began exploring lesbianism, I had never heard of it.... that was years ago; but nevertheless, it was a new thought for me. And that thought then became, “Oh, this must explain why I am the way I am.” And there was not any other narrative offered. …
So Ken and I have formed this movement... called Changed... of people who have this story of coming out, so that there’s this other narrative that’s offered. And it’s not a rhetorical narrative. It’s stories, so that people begin to say, “Oh, there’s another way.”... H.R.5 would put this blanket over that and then stifle the opportunity to share those stories. Real censorship. Censorship is happening now.
What will happen when it becomes illegal to suggest there’s another narrative, which is what H.R.5 would do? It would stifle the voice of every Christian pastor to share the full gospel, or... make restrictions on a church’s ability to protect its leadership against an ideology … And no opportunity for dissent.
So that bill doesn’t just impact us and how we help people... it stifles any opposite narrative in such a totalitarian way. …

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