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A Drug Cartel Just Defeated The Mexican Military In Battle!
The Federalist ^ | 10/21/2019 | John Daniel Davidson

Posted on 10/21/2019 8:00:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The southwest U.S. border might be quieter now than it was this spring at the height of the migrant crisis, but south of the Rio Grande the Mexican state is disintegrating.

Last Thursday in the city of Culiacan, the capital of Sinaloa state, a battle erupted between government forces and drug cartel gunmen after the Mexican military captured two sons of jailed drug kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman. The elder son, Ivan, was quickly freed by his men, who overpowered government forces and secured his release. Ivan then launched an all-out siege of the entire city in an effort to free his younger brother, Ovidio.

The ensuing scene could have been mistaken for Syria or Yemen. Footage posted on social media Thursday showed burning vehicles spewing black smoke, heavily armed gunmen blocking roads, dead bodies strewn in the streets, and residents fleeing for cover amid high-caliber gunfire.

Armed with military-grade weapons and driving custom-built armored vehicles, cartel henchmen targeted security forces throughout Culiacan, launching more than one dozen separate attacks on Mexican security forces. They captured and held hostage eight soldiers, then kidnapped their families. Amid the fighting, an unknown number of inmates escaped from a nearby prison. At least eight people were killed and more than a dozen were injured.

The eight-hour battle ended when government forces, outgunned and surrounded, without reinforcements or a way to retreat, received an order directly from Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador to release their prisoner and surrender. Lopez Obrador later defended this decision, insisting that his security strategy is working and saying, “Many people were at risk and it was decided to protect people’s lives. I agreed with that, because we don’t do massacres, that’s over.”

Mexican president says they had to release the son of drug kingpin Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman after an intense battle between security forces and cartel gunmen as 'the situation became very difficult' and 'many people were at risk' https://t.co/guzODO7t8i pic.twitter.com/uFAU0pDCfD

— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) October 18, 2019

The Mexican State Is Collapsing

The battle of Culiacan marks a turning point in the collapse of the Mexican state. There is now no doubt about who is in control of Sinaloa, let alone the rest of the country. Cartel forces seized a major regional capital city in broad daylight and defeated the national armed forces in open battle.

Violence is rampant across Mexico. Earlier in the week, more than one dozen police officers were massacred in a cartel ambush in western Mexico. A day later, 14 suspected gang members were killed by the Mexican Army. Homicides in Mexico this year are on track to surpass last year’s record total of more than 29,000.

Understand that the fighting in Culiacan is not just another episode in the “drug war,” nor is it merely an incident of organized crime. What’s happening Mexico right now is more like an insurgency. Yes, drug-trafficking is one of the things the cartels do, but it doesn’t nearly describe what they are or what role they’re playing in the disintegration of civil society in Mexico. Indeed, over the past decade cartels have diversified their economic activities to include everything from oil and gas production to industrial agriculture to offshore commercial fishing.

In other words, it’s fair to say that Mexico is now on a trajectory to become a vast gangland governed more by warlordism than by the state. The last time this happened was a century ago, during the decade-long Mexican Revolution, which eventually triggered the invasion and occupation of northern Mexico in 1916 by the U.S. Army, including the mobilization of the entire National Guard and a call for volunteers. Before it was over, U.S. forces attacked and occupied Nogales, Sonora, in 1918 and Ciudad Juarez in 1919.

Historically, insurgent and secessionist movements have bedeviled Mexico from its very beginnings. Civil wars and rebellions were endemic in Mexico throughout much of the 19th century, ceasing only with the Porfiriato and resuming with its collapse in 1910.

What’s different today is that Mexico, despite its corrupt and incompetent government, has a rising middle class and a growing economy. Unlike the Mexican state, the Mexican people have shown themselves to be more than capable of industrious and liberal self-government, not just in the success millions of them have achieved in the United States but also in the success of local governments throughout the country.

Set against the Mexican people is a Mexican state incapable of governing and a cartel insurgency that now controls vast swaths of both territory and industry. President Lopez Obrador will not push back on the cartels. He has never said a bad word about El Chapo or the Sinaloa Cartel, and even campaigned for cartel amnesty in 2017, but he does have a long history of associating his political rivals with organized crime.

He has said he wants to tackle the “root causes” of crime and violence, which he has said are poverty and lack of opportunity, and campaigned for president on slogans such as “hugs, not gunshots,” and “you can’t fight fire with fire.” In short, Lopez Obrador is not the man to rescue Mexico from the unfolding crisis.

The idea that a nation of 120 million people with whom the United States shares a 2,000-mile border and ever-increasing economic ties might spiral into collapse has not seriously occurred to the American people. We’ve had a century of relative peace on our southwest border, and aside from dealing with an occasional surge of illegal immigration, we have assumed that it will continue. It will not.

Culiacan should be a wake-up call that the war now underway in Mexico will not stay there, and that we’d better start thinking about what that will mean for America.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bordercrisis; drugcartel; mexico; shole; wod
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1 posted on 10/21/2019 8:00:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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“War now underway in Mexico will not stay there, and that we’d better start thinking about what that will mean for America.”....we’ll maybe we put our MILITARY on OUR border??? What a novel idea. /s


2 posted on 10/21/2019 8:04:50 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Want to know your family genealogy? Run for political office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gosh.

So, those cartel fellows sell drugs to make money?

I thought they did it because Americans need their medicine.


3 posted on 10/21/2019 8:05:28 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

How is this possible??? Not a peep out of the MSM??? Oh that is right, they were too busy talking about the Trump scandals while fawning over the Democratic candidates. Another reason to build that wall. We need to build 2 miles a day at this point and make it 60 feet high.


4 posted on 10/21/2019 8:08:36 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Will the last responsible person leaving California, please turn out the lights.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do away with Borders and this will happen everywhere


5 posted on 10/21/2019 8:09:43 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

Mexico needs a Duarte...


6 posted on 10/21/2019 8:11:28 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: goodnesswins

“War now underway in Mexico will not stay there, and that we’d better start thinking about what that will mean for America.”....we’ll maybe we put our MILITARY on OUR border??? What a novel idea

Sounds like a great idea, but did you ever give it any thought you may offend some dumb a$$ liberals or RINOS like Mitt Romney who just love and cherish wide open borders.


7 posted on 10/21/2019 8:11:56 AM PDT by saintgermaine (saintgermaine the time traveller)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mexico - a shithole yesterday, today and forever.


8 posted on 10/21/2019 8:12:28 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (With every passing day, I am a little bit gladder that Romney lost in 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind

we have assumed that it will continue. It will not.


anything which can’t go on forever, won’t


9 posted on 10/21/2019 8:13:10 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Think about what happened in Libya when Secretary Clinton helped the Ghadafi government to collapse. Now Libya is a gateway to Europe for all of Africa. And that is with a Mediterranean Sea as a physical barrier. Mexico’s collapse could well be catastrophic for the US.


10 posted on 10/21/2019 8:14:15 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: SeekAndFind

Build the wall.


11 posted on 10/21/2019 8:14:34 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (Socialism requires slavery.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mexican authorities have to play by the Cartel’s rules. Should have announced “Back off or we shoot Chapo’s sons.”


12 posted on 10/21/2019 8:18:36 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“has not seriously occurred to the American people”

Who the hell is this guy?!

ANYONE familiar with Mexico has seen this coming for the last 40 years.

“and aside from dealing with an occasional surge of illegal immigration”

WHAT in G-d’s name is this MORON talking about? 40 million people in the same number of years is “occasional”?!

NEVER in human history have so many flowed into someone else’s country against their will - cities and towns that had virtually no Mexicans prior to 1990 are now MAJORITY Mexican - take a look at virtually ALL of central and South Los Angeles - majority white from the 1850’s to the 1970s.

Mexico had 35 million people in 1960. It’s now 120 million with another 50 million in the US, all in the last 50-60 years.

Their “government” has never been anything but a club of white Spaniards who happen control most of the weapons. Now they are confronted by gangs who have enough money to arm themselves and do - so now THEY are the “government”.

The Mexican narco-state is COLLAPSING. Or rather changing ownership - and anyone with a brain has seen this coming for decades.

What dark hole does this guy live in?


13 posted on 10/21/2019 8:19:00 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: goodnesswins

re: “we’ll maybe we put our MILITARY on OUR border”

General Blackjack Pershing and Patton come to mind ... the “Pancho Villa Expedition”.


14 posted on 10/21/2019 8:19:13 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well written article except for the laughable “aside from dealing with an occasional surge of illegal immigration.”


15 posted on 10/21/2019 8:19:39 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (Chuck Schumer--giving pond scum everywhere a bad name.)
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To: ArcadeQuarters

Now we will have to add towers with remote controlled mini-guns with overlapping field of fire - suggesting GAU-19a. Will also have to add over-watch drones which can call in A-10s for daylight situations and AC-130Js for night ops.


16 posted on 10/21/2019 8:20:42 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Put the military on the border and close it. The cartels only survive by selling to us.


17 posted on 10/21/2019 8:21:23 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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To: SeekAndFind

DemocRats want an open border with Mexico so this kind of thing will come to the US. They want it for at least two reasons.

One, they crave the power that voters will give them in order to “save” the country from this kind of violence.

Two, they want the money they will make from payoffs by the cartels.

Every Rat and RINO politician should be asked, “How much money are you taking from drug cartels?” And, “How much money do you think the cartels would pay you to allow them to operate this openly in the US?”

Don’t believe such things happen? Run a search engine on “Baptist bootlegger coalition “


18 posted on 10/21/2019 8:22:30 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: saintgermaine

After Graham, Rubio and the rest of the Bush League Republicans give all the illegal aliens amnesty, the USA will become North Mexico.


19 posted on 10/21/2019 8:24:39 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Chinese are in on this too. Where do you think the phetanyl is coming from?


20 posted on 10/21/2019 8:26:07 AM PDT by forgotten man
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