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Pence Makes Clear There Is No Daylight Between Him and Trump
New York Times ^ | Oct 3 2019 | Michael Crowley and Maggie Haberman

Posted on 10/12/2019 3:13:19 PM PDT by rintintin

He held firm when the “Access Hollywood” tape nearly ended President Trump’s 2016 campaign. He did not waver through even the most trying moments of the special counsel’s Russia investigation.

And once again, Vice President Mike Pence has risen to Mr. Trump’s defense at a moment of crisis that some Republicans fear could inflict lasting damage on them both.

Amid questions about Mr. Pence’s role in the campaign of political pressure directed at Ukraine’s government that has become the subject of a House Democratic impeachment action against Mr. Trump, the vice president appeared before reporters in Arizona on Thursday and was all in.

Hours after Mr. Trump defiantly escalated the impeachment drama by openly urging China’s government to investigate the business dealings there of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s son Hunter, Mr. Pence backed up his boss without apology, saying that Mr. Trump was making good on his campaign pledge to “drain the swamp.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: domesticenemies; enemiesofthepeople; nytimes; nyts; trump2020; vppence
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1 posted on 10/12/2019 3:13:19 PM PDT by rintintin
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To: rintintin

Choosing Mike Pence was one of the President’s singular wisest decisions he’s ever made.


2 posted on 10/12/2019 3:14:28 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: rintintin

Pence needs to keep standing tall for justice and truth.


3 posted on 10/12/2019 3:14:29 PM PDT by rintintin
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To: rintintin

Soooooooo....ya gonna investigate why Obama refuses to endorse his VP, NYT?


4 posted on 10/12/2019 3:16:04 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: rintintin

Republicans fear lasting damage... they’re total losers which is why I quit the party back in 2016.

Haven’t looked back since.


5 posted on 10/12/2019 3:16:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rintintin

Excellent and good that he comes out and says it.

The MSM and Dems were spreading rumors, precisely to try to set them against each other, but fortunately they are both smarter than to fall for it.


6 posted on 10/12/2019 3:18:20 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: rintintin

All of dems attempts to separate the two have failed big time.


7 posted on 10/12/2019 3:19:27 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: rintintin
"He held firm when the “Access Hollywood” tape nearly ended President Trump’s 2016 campaign."

Nor did most feminists waver when all of the accusations of Bill Clinton's abuse of women surfaced - in fact, many of them doubled-down. Moreover, Clinton's behavior carried into the White House, whereas Trump's vulgar comment happened long before he became president.

The left's defense of Clinton inoculated Trump.
8 posted on 10/12/2019 3:20:27 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: rintintin

While watching the rally last night, it hit me. The signs said “Trump 2020”...not “Trump-Pence 2020”. Don’t know if I’m making too much out of it.


9 posted on 10/12/2019 3:23:22 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: goldstategop
I quit the party back in 2014, after they failed to keep their promises.

I hang up on them when they call my for $$$ now.

God bless Donald Trump and the USA!

This is what I posted on FR back then:

Even now the Republican leadership is lowering expectations about what they'll do if they take the Senate in 2014.

And then there’s John McCain saying what will happen if the Republicans win the Senate: “I will work very hard to go back to 60 votes,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who boldly predicts a Republican Senate would process Obama’s nominees “more rapidly than [Democrats] do today.”

And as for the House: John Boehner: ‘Very Few’ Republicans Will Oppose Me

So tell me again how much better off we'll be voting for the RINOs.


No more voting for RINOs ever, under any circumstances. Period.

In the past I voted for McCain, and Romney nationally, and for Scott Brown in Massachusetts. But I guess it depends on your belief in how far gone this nation is, and what it will take to restore it, assuming that is even possible at this point.

Personally, I now believe that the only way to save America at this point (assuming such a thing is still possible) is to put conservatives in political offices and enact an agenda based on free markets, limited government and the rule of law. As long as we have a Republican party that actively opposes those ends (and we do, obviously), then I believe our only (slim) hope is drastic action.

As long as the Republican Party establishment believes that it can continue to survive by being Democrat-lite, and that it can continue to maintain power while actively fighting against the core principles of liberty, free markets and Constitutional law, it will never make the necessary change of direction.

Only when the Republican party understands that it must change or die can we hope to turn this country around. Our too-long-serving entrenched establishment politicians can still enjoy their comfy lifestyles, their wealth, power and prestige as members of a minority party. So why should they bother to change direction?

Surely a John Boehner (or an Eric Cantor -- had he not been defeated -- or a Mitch McConnell) would be just as happy to be minority leaders if the election cycle didn't go their way. Yes, they would prefer to be majority leaders, but what good would it do them if a conservative Republican Party won the majority and then threw them out of their cushy positions and all those perks, replacing them with real conservatives?

Ask yourself -- which do you think Mitch McConnell would prefer -- a majority Republican party in which he was stripped of his position by a conservative majority, or a minority Republican party in which he could remain Senate minority leader because the majority of Republican senators were RINOs?

You may argue that we have no time to wait for the Republicans to realize that their only choice is to change or die as a viable party. But if we don't have time for that, then what makes you think we have time to wait for the RINOs and the GOP-e to pursue a "moderately marginal" course of action designed only to maintain their personal fiefdoms at the expense of a free America operating under the rule of Constitutional law?

The GOP had majority power in the House and Senate, and occupied the White House, 10 years ago. What did all that power do to move the agenda of liberty forward? Answer: nothing.

A GOP that cannot even sell liberty, limited governments and free markets to the American people is worse than useless. It is a party of tyranny enablers, and I will have none of it.

Unbelievably, today we once again face the stark choice between liberty and death.

Once again, these are the times that try men's souls. Conservatives need to be waging aggressive war against the totalitarian leftist tyrants on all fronts -- in the branches of government at the federal and state level, in academia, in the media, through public demonstrations, and in the voting booth.

Many argue that we must continue to vote for "the most electable conservative," which means "vote for the RINO if no conservative is running." But I respectfully disagree with that choice. I am done enabling.

If we really are to lose the greatest country in the history of the world, then let's at least be fighting for it when it goes down.

And who knows, maybe -- just maybe, if we show sufficient resolve and conviction -- divine Providence will once again provide the support that gave our founders their unlikely victory in 1776, and grant us once again the "new birth of freedom" that Lincoln called for a century later.

If you reward bad behavior, you get more of it. The RINOs have managed to own the Republican party because they know that conservatives have nowhere else to go.

To continue voting for RINOs is to play right into that strategy. The RINOs have become so certain of your vote that they actually believe they can continue to stay in power by declaring outright war on the conservative base.

And when they do that, they are actually declaring war on core American principles -- war on liberty, war on free market economics, and even war on the Constitution.

The RINO Republicans cannot even make an appeal to the traditional American love of those principles, because they have lost the credibility and historical awareness to articulate them, let alone promote them.

Yes, having Harry Reid continue as majority leader is a horrific scenario. But having RINO Republicans win that office is only a marginally better short-term outcome.

And in some ways it is even worse, because as the RINOs “reach across the aisle" to promote marginally modified Democrat policies, they give the Democrats cover from the well-deserved blame for the horrific damage that they have unleashed on our country in the last five years.

America is out of time now. We cannot continue on the current path. And as things continue to deteriorate, who do you think the voters will blame if the Republicans are in power when the 2016 elections come around?

You think Mitch McConnell's senate will repeal Obamacare? You think it will take the right position on immigration? You think a Republican Senate will vote against Obama’s left wing Supreme Court nominations?

America needs clear, passionate and articulate voices to advocate and defend our founding principles, to secure our borders, to preserve our nation, and to take legislative and administrative steps to turn this country around, assuming it still can be turned around.

Majority leader Mitch McConnell will NEVER provide that voice or leadership. He is not the guy to turn things around for our formerly blessed nation.

But in 2016 a newly terrified Republican party will be forced to court instead of alienate the conservative base, and come 2017 will be in a position to put the party and our nation on the proper path. Such a duly chastised party has a real chance of nominating a Ted Cruz, instead of a Mitt Romney who, according to last night's panel on Fox News, is at this point the likely Republican presidential nominee.

So in November, for those whose only choice in the mid-terms is between a RINO and a Democrat, I urge them to stay home on election day, or vote third-party -- anything to prove the RINOs wrong in thinking that they can stay in power by literally declaring war on conservatism.

Think about it.

10 posted on 10/12/2019 3:24:36 PM PDT by Maceman (Trump Trumps Hate!!!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Agreed!


11 posted on 10/12/2019 3:26:09 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I Love BULL MARKETS!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Choosing FReeper Mike Pence was one of the President’s singular wisest decisions he’s ever made
12 posted on 10/12/2019 3:29:28 PM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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13 posted on 10/12/2019 3:36:37 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: ryderann

There are a variety of signs available. You’re making too much of it.


14 posted on 10/12/2019 3:48:42 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ryderann

Lots of Trump/Pence merchandise on website


15 posted on 10/12/2019 3:55:05 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: ryderann

Yep. I’ve never trusted Pence, and I’ll never forget the VP debate where he basically spouted Hillary Clinton/swamp foreign policy positions.

Moreover, 2 key actions as IN Gov made me really wonder: the fake changes to Common Core and forcing the legislature to revisit religious freedom.

Is Pence is another Bush? I suspect so. Hope I am wrong.


16 posted on 10/12/2019 3:58:00 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: ryderann

I remember “Trump 2016” signs at rallies long after Pence had been chosen.


17 posted on 10/12/2019 3:58:05 PM PDT by philippa
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To: Maceman

Better a RINO than a RAT.

If you can’t vote for a candidate, at least vote against a candidate.

I started out in 2016 certain I would vote against Hitlery no matter who the GOPe nominated, even Jeb Bush.

It didn’t take but a couple months for me to realize Trump was a serious contender. I always thought him a blowhard back in his “Apprentice” days, but once I really started listening to him closely, I sensed he was the real deal.

Everything he’s done in office has shown me that he not only has the interests of ordinary Americans at heart, he’s a man who’s almost obsessed with keeping his word.

Wish that we had 535 like him in Congress. But we have what we have, and I would sooner vote for a weakling like Susan Collins than any RAT. There once was a time when we had old-fashioned liberals with whom you could do business, but those times are long gone.

Your conservative principles won’t count for much if you stay home and let the RATs take over the country. Even the egregious Collins cast the deciding vote for Justice Kavanaugh.

Leadership counts for a lot, and I suspect that the GOP in 2025 will be a leaner, tougher organization than it is today. Everyone loves a winner, and a good loser is still a loser. Trump is nothing if not a winner.


18 posted on 10/12/2019 3:58:16 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: ryderann

I doubt Pence is going anywhere, but he has an extremely low profile. As long as he’s doing his job as VP and not drawing unfavorable attention to himself, I imagine the President his pleased with him.


19 posted on 10/12/2019 4:02:11 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: rintintin

Pence has been the perfect VP. Loyal and always gives credit to Potus. He will be a great choice in 2034.


20 posted on 10/12/2019 4:03:37 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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