Posted on 10/08/2019 1:37:47 AM PDT by Libloather
RUSH: And greetings to you, music lovers, thrill-seekers, conversationalists all across the fruited plain. I know whats going on now. I have figured it out, and its a crying shame that so many people on our side are playing along with this, because this is just a rehash. It has a specific objective, but its a rehash of the Kavanaugh attempt. Its a continuation of Trump-Russia collusion, and it ought to be so transparent by now.
Adam Schiff ought to be so disreputable. He ought to have been so discredited there would not be a single Republican that would even consider joining the Democrats in this so-called impeachment movement.
Let me tell you what the game plan is for the Democrats here and then work backwards from it. Everybody knows that they are not going to get a conviction in the Senate if there is an impeachment trial there. And Mitch McConnell assured everybody over the weekend in a video tweet or a video something. He said where impeachment goes is the Senate, where I am the majority leader and where it will be shut down.
Okay. So everybody knows this and weve been asking ourselves quite frequently in recent weeks, since everybody knows that this isnt going anywhere in the Senate, even if they do officially vote impeachment, even if they do present articles of impeachment, even if they try to conduct a trial in the Senate, you dont get a conviction. You end up with an acquittal.
So how does this help? The worst thing, the last thing would seem to be for the Democrats to put Trump on trial and have him acquitted in the Senate. Okay. Yet theyre still doing it. So what is the objective? Quite simply, it is: This is their 2020 campaign.
They are not gonna campaign on helping people. They are not gonna campaign on using government to help people. Theyre not gonna campaign on drug prices or health care or illegal immigration or, you name it, theyre not gonna campaign on that. Theyre gonna campaign totally on this.
What do they think they need? They need to be able to say even if there is an acquittal in the Senate, they need to be able to say that the impeachment was bipartisan. So if they can get a couple Republicans in the House to vote with them and if they can peel off a couple senators, like Romney or Susan Collins, then bingo, in their estimation they have won.
They have now created the campaign issue, the mother of all campaign issues, that a bipartisan effort was put together to impeach the president, but he was only saved because of the partisanship of Republican leaders in the Senate. Thats their campaign, folks.
So what they need to do to pull this off, they need to peel off Republicans. They need weak-kneed, wobbly kneed, linguini-spined Republicans - not very many - they need a couple in the House, a couple in the Senate, and the magic claim of bipartisanship, in their minds, will have been reached. And that will be the campaign. Thats it. Their campaign will come down to that. Trump has to go. He has been impeached by a bipartisan coalition of the United States Congress.
Impeachment is not conviction. Two different things. Theyre not counting on a conviction. In fact, theyve got Bob Woodward out there saying that impeachments gonna teach us so much that the effort to get Trump in jail will probably continue even after he loses in 2020.
Sounds about right.
They would need more than a dozen. I could see Mitt Romney going in this direction, and maybe one or two more.
I think there’s four Democratic Senator seats flipping in 2020’s election over to the Republicans, and maybe one GOP seat flipping to the Democrats. After that smoke clears, Mitch will call Romney in and tell him he’s out of the party. He can be either a independent or a democratic.
It’s hard to figure out Romney’s political calculations because they’re just so stupid. I suspect he’ll whip votes and only vote for impeachment if he can find safety in numbers - that it will pave the way for his candidacy and victory in 2020, which is ludicrous. I’m certain that he thinks that if Trump can win, he can win, and taking the job of the guy who humiliated him after giving the SoS job to someone else would be even sweeter.
But, other R Senators aren’t quite as stupid as him and know that voting for impeachment means their next election will be their last.
Our side of the Deep State will come out if they think they can get away with it. I think there are far more than 4 or 5. That said, it’s our job to let them know there will be consequences and come-uppance. They had better watch what they ask for. The people will not tolerate it.
If you line up all the Senate races...there’s around four Democrats which are likely to lose and presently only one Republican that might be in a tough race (Colorado’s Gardner).
Alabama’s Jones is virtually guaranteed to lose, along with Gary Peters from Michigan.
In fact, some prominent Republicans have even expressed distress at the president's remarks but are never compelled to identify an impeachable element. Democrats have adopted these rinos' looseness of expression and analysis and have begun shifting from an allegation of "high crime" violation of 30121 (see below) to a vague allegation of unfitness.
I have thought about the possible impeachable offenses contained in the transcript of the President's conversation with the president of Ukraine and concluded there is no possible impeachable offense -even if there were a quid pro quo (and there is not) that directly aided him in his campaign (and one can contrive to find that only by willful leap of imagination) for the reasons expressed below adapted from another reply:
The statute in question reads as follows:
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election; (emphasis supplied)
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
So there are several layers of questions to be worked through before we can say that the president is guilty of a violation of this high crime.
The first thing that leaps out is the statutory language, or other thing of value, which, unless it is to have no meaning because it means everything, must be limited to that which can be quantified or at least identified as something akin to an expenditure or a disbursement. One can fairly extract that meaning from the context and, without that limitation of meaning, the phrase "or other thing of value" becomes so broad as to become unconstitutionally vague.
I have not had time to chase down whether there are any cases or regulations further defining or other thing of value but one can certainly understand that a statue could be void for vagueness for being too broad, as this certainly is.
No president would ever be able to negotiate with any foreign entity because a partisan majority in Congress might regard that to be a thing of value. No executive agreement could be undertaken by the president. No conversation can safely be had with any representative of a foreign government. Every diplomatic action of the United States would be subject to review by the Congress, not by drafting legislation or withholding legislation or assent to treaties, but by impeachment because the House of Representatives contrives to believe that a political campaign advantage somehow flowed to the president.
The result? The United States would have virtually no effective foreign policy. This goes far beyond the mere executive privilege necessary for the president to conduct foreign policy in secret, this goes to the immunity of the president of the United States in conducting that policy.
The test cannot be whether or not there is something of value the test must be whether or not the presidents act constitutes an intrinsic crime. And then, the intrinsic crime must be a quid pro quo for the granting or withholding of a presidential power. In other words, no intrinsic crime, no impeachable offense; no quid pro quo, no impeachable offense. Otherwise the president must be immune from legal and impeachable consequences in these dealings. To conclude otherwise is to do violence to the principle of separation of powers, to ignore the reality of the singular executive, to cripple American foreign policy.
Nor can the test be whether there is something of value running to the president. That is entirely too subjective for the reasons cited above and because it would lead to shackling the foreign policy of the United States to the very whim of Congress, a situation in which the constitutional debates unequivocally demonstrate was not to be an element of impeachment. To say that impeachment is whatever the House of Representatives says it is, does violence to the text of the Constitution and should be firmly rejected at every turn.
Every president uses leverage in negotiation with foreign powers, thats why he is called the commander-in-chief, thats why he is known as our chief diplomat, that is why he is the chief executive. Therefore, the test cannot be the application of pressure of some kind, including the granting or withholding of carrots, as to whether or not there is an intrinsic crime. The fact of a quid pro quo is of no matter if there is no intrinsic crime.
The rule must be that so long as the president operates under colorable or plausible motive to further the interests of the United States, he is immune, not from political censure but from legal or impeachment liability even if his actions benefit himself either personally or politically, providing there is no intrinsic and commonly understood crime involved. This is essentially the ruling rendered by the Department of Justice which has already said in its written opinion that there is no improper campaign contribution rendered or demanded in this conversation.
By analogy, the need for this closely defined rule is also evident in the campaign contribution situation in which the Democrats insist that the president improperly failed to report a campaign contribution, or expenditure in this case when he paid Stormie Daniels out of his own funds. The rule there was that if the president had a plausible personal interest quite apart from a campaign interest in securing his deal with Stormy, he was not obligated to report and committed no crime or violation.
This is not to say that a president could not be liable to both legally and by impeachment if he were to say, I want Ukraine to be protected against Russia and I will authorize delivery of armaments to you providing you put $1 million into my personal account. Here, even though personal gain is coupled with colorable national interest, the crime is quite obvious because bribery is inherently a crime.
But there is no crime here because the president sought to have Ukraine investigate corruption not to corruptly stop investigation of corruption. There is no intrinsic crime in fighting corruption or even when implying that a carrot might be granted or withheld to secure investigation of corruption. Thats why the founders drafted a constitution with separation of powers. There is no inherent crime in fighting corruption at home or abroad and the president is entitled to use all the tools and is his diplomatic pouch to do so.
I believe these arguments apply, or should apply even if the statutory provision thing of value is so defined that a contribution could be inferred in the exposure of a political opponents corruption in a foreign land. Of course, the question of whether such inference can be factually supported from the verbiage of the transcript is open and, in my view, a leap that cannot be supported by the words out of the presidents mouth.
Finally, we have the treaty between Ukraine and the United States providing for cooperation respecting corruption and we have the long-established practice of the present United States soliciting cooperation from foreign powers respecting matters of law enforcement. One can fairly draw no conclusion other than the president in fulfilling his duty to see that the laws were faithfully executed, and was in fact operating within the black letter of the written law.
For any of these reasons, the president committed no impeachable offense.
Haven’t these dumbasses (formerly just stupid partiers) figured out who elected Donald Trump?
The people didn’t (and won’t) elect the smarmy phony from Massachuttes.
I recon they know they can always become lobbiests.. God, what a racket.
Those laws are intended to keep U.S. officials from enriching themselves in public office.
Donald Trump is one of those rare people whose public office makes him LESS rich than he otherwise would have been.
Gardner is a perfect example of a squishy Republican in a soon to be blue state who if he was staunch conservative he could have persuaded more people to vote to the right. Have you ever noticed that skunks are usually killed in the middle of the road?
This is where Romney belongs if he votes for impeachment:
Impeachment will continue for next 5 years
Not after the GOP retakes the house in TRUMPSLIDE 2020.
The purpose of the impeachment threat is to ward off the coming crop of massive democrat indictments
“(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation”
So how does Billary get away with 10’s of millions in foreign donations?
At this point I say if RINOS want to pull the grenade pin on their own party, let them.
They only need a few to flip the Senate. They don’t need impeachment and conviction to paralyze Trump’s second term Control of the Senate blocks the appointment of conservative judges..
Nothing will be more important than the demise of the Bolshekrat Party in ‘20.
Yeah, the Rats will just give up and start loving Trump after he wins reelection.
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election
Note the portion that I have italicized, it requires the donation to be made in connection with an election and, arguably, Hillary's charitable foundation was actually a charity and had nothing to do with an election; likewise, Bill Clinton's speeches were actually declamations for their own sake, made entirely in the public interest, utterly free of any taint of electioneering.
Amash has said hes all in but IMO there are too many dems in tight districts that don’t want to fall on a sword. I don’t think Nanzi has the votes.
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