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1 posted on 09/30/2019 9:01:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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I’m open to a true conservative black person telling me what I might need to know, that I may not already know. I’m not open to pandering. The black folks I’ve know in my military days, and the few friends I have today, I hope, never hold back their opinions due to my being white. When I look back, the black folks, and for that matter, folks of any race I served with knew that I would have taken a bullet to save them, and I knew they would even lay their own lives down to save me. It’s as close as family gets. There are issues in this country, faced by all of it’s citizens that we should be bound by. Black people, or any color of person who wear the same ideological “jersey” as I do, are on our team. Not my team, our team. Nothing less. If they’ve chosen to be liberals in their beliefs, I’ve no time for them. We need to be united. I’ve studied enough to know that there are some raw deals out there, some are getting persecuted. But the true face of political bravery, in this day and age, is a conservative of color. We need to support them whenever we find them.


63 posted on 09/30/2019 11:59:38 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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This guy is full of used food and he is a bigot besides.


69 posted on 10/01/2019 1:59:26 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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In my writing, I hope to stretch the minds of the conservative community into understanding that the black community is begging them for a reason to formally join the conservative cause.

Hey Raynerd!

How about you stop insisting everyone has to change to exactly what you want so you will join the conservative movement?

If you are as conservative as you claim, then why are you viewing things through racist eyeglasses?

I don't recognize this kind of conservatism.

70 posted on 10/01/2019 2:03:50 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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Clearly written by someone who knows nothing about conservatism.

His whole thesis is “what you gonna gib me”


77 posted on 10/01/2019 3:24:24 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself.)
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What utter BS. Whenever there’s a popular black conservative, liberals say they’re not real blacks. So once again we see them projecting ... their favorite tactic.


79 posted on 10/01/2019 3:40:07 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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Raynard does some Blacksplaining to Whitey.


80 posted on 10/01/2019 3:45:20 AM PDT by windsorknot
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A majority of Blacks prefer the Democrat plantation. Democrats take the Black vote for granted.


81 posted on 10/01/2019 3:49:41 AM PDT by windsorknot
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Hmmm?

Wonder what is the definition of a “real” black ?


82 posted on 10/01/2019 3:52:07 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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“Real” blacks don’t check their blackness at the door when they join a conservative group.”

But white people are made to do that if we try to associate with elite democrats...


83 posted on 10/01/2019 4:01:19 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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The article is horse shit.

When 70 to 80 percent of blacks are on welfare, with similar numbers for fatherless homes, committing 90 percent or so of all crimes involving whites and blacks, the idea that conservatives are the problem is exposed as utterly retarded.


84 posted on 10/01/2019 4:07:43 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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Donald Trump is trying to reshape the party into a more populist party that may achieve “the big tent” that the globalist republicans always talked about. I think this refocused party can be more attractive to blacks and Hispanics. Some of this populism (eg no deficit reduction proposals)is not where I would be in my ideal world, but given the “big tent” globalism of the establishment republicans vs Trumps mixture of conservatism and populism, I will choose Trumps approach all day long. I am hoping that this new messaging will bring in more minoritities who can see that a good economy and national interests are in everyone’s interests.


87 posted on 10/01/2019 4:15:31 AM PDT by BRL
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“Most blacks are conservative by nature and by upbringing.”

I’m sorry but this is nonsense. Do 90+ percent of conservatives end up voting DemocRAT? Are most conservatives raised by single mothers without a father in the home? Do they believe in identity politics and collectivism or are they advocates of individualism? Do conservatives consider it normal to spend generations on welfare, or even be willing to accept it except in the gravest extreme? Do most have criminal records, seem indifferent to education, or attempt to silence those they disagree with? Do most conservatives approve of abortion rights, affirmative action, hate the police and efforts to enforce law and order? Do conservatives believe there is such a thing as “the school to prison pipeline” and support policies that prevent school officials from reporting violent and disruptive students to the police? Not the ones I am familiar with.

I suspect Mr Jackson spends most of his time around a more successful subset of blacks who are conservative and extrapolates that to the larger majority who clearly aren’t.


89 posted on 10/01/2019 5:11:26 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The attempted coup against President Trump is/was TREASON.)
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“When blacks hear the word conservatism, we hear Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, segregationist senators from South Carolina and North Carolina, respectively”.

Why don’t they hear George Wallace, the segregationist Senator from Alabama? Robert Byrd? Fritz Hollings?
Are blacks aware that it was the Democratic party that was in favor of slavery? That virtually all of the Confederate Generals and soldiers were Democrats? That all the confederate statues they want to see torn down were of Democrats? Are they aware that the KKK was an arm of the DemocRAT party?

If Mr Jackson wants Blacks to look more favorably on Republicans he should inform them about who their real enemy is.


90 posted on 10/01/2019 5:24:17 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The attempted coup against President Trump is/was TREASON.)
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Politics is BY ITS VERY NATURE -tribal. White people, black people, interest group people, people affected by cultural or natural trends. They band together to get things done...., some of which things are good and within the bounds of freedom/constitution and some not so much.

However, the idiocy of affirming that “conservatism” is all about the individual is the stupidest thing I have seen conservatives pontificate (a big statement, as there is a long list).

To jump from that to assert that being aware of people’s GROUP needs and desires is “pandering” is something I would expect from a retarded garden snail.... on meth. It is so stupid as to be laughable.

Look, you will not find anyone so concerned with the rights of the individual than myself on this (or most) forum(s). I am anarchocapitalist and believe that the entire structure of the US Government is in opposition to the Constitution, and wish we could break it up entirely (using article V provisions in Constitution). There are no “collective rights”... only collective interests, and the great failure of conservatives has been to convince various collectives that their betterment is ONLY guaranteed through a fierce (to the point of fanatical) preservation of the rights of the individual... as far as the state goes. I swear I “get” that as well as anyone.

The problem is that there is a huge perception on the part of blacks in America that conservatives mouth platitudes about freedom only when it is convenient for them. They rightly call bs on 1) federal “marriage” laws (the federal government has NO constitutional authority to declare squat about marriage between a man and woman, man and man, or man and dog) 2) federal drug laws -involving anything but interstate sales of drugs 3) federal firearms laws -ditto 4)demanding taxes to send our troops into UNDECLARED wars and use the US military to chase phantom “terrorists” all over the planet, creating what we say we are fighting ..... and lots more.

I read thru the comments in this thread expecting to find validation for the very criticisms blacks have for Republicans and conservatives. Thanks for not disappointing me.


91 posted on 10/01/2019 5:34:34 AM PDT by mostly_lies
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Conservatives don't deal well with gibs-me-dats and didn do nuffins, the type of people who wrote this article.
92 posted on 10/01/2019 6:22:21 AM PDT by farming pharmer
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Black Americans, please don't join the Republican Party. They treat conservatives just like the Democrats treat you!

I can never be black but I can fight under a black flag. Let's raise the black flag and start a new party?

94 posted on 10/01/2019 6:46:46 AM PDT by Theophilus (Ich bin ein Hong Konger)
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I am not familiar with the author and perhaps he is well intentioned. However, I believe the article to be a disservice to black Americans.

The conservatives I know that happen to be black are very opposed to the Democrat plantation culture. They require nothing from me to interact intellectually and culturally.


95 posted on 10/01/2019 6:51:54 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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All you have to do to be a conservative is stop being a ______ American.


96 posted on 10/01/2019 6:52:56 AM PDT by The Toll
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Conservatives tend to surround themselves with blacks who make them feel comfortable, as opposed to blacks who can help them move the conservative agenda forward.

When the uniting principle of a relationship is a shared set of political and philosophical viewpoints, "comfortable" is the natural result. I'm not seeing much in the author's words to define even one area to be improved with suggested approaches, only a "do more" statement that is ambiguous at best, and is unlikely to provide positive impact on the situation.

As a matter of fact, conservatives force “real” blacks to make a false choice: to be black or conservative, as though we can’t be both.

The fact that the author points fingers at conservatives for the cries of "Uncle Tom" that erupt from the left whenever a black person stands up for his or her conservative beliefs is problematic. Conservatives understand that we cannot control the left's speech and actions, yet we are blamed ass if we are the ones engaging in the objectionable conduct.

Conservatives are far from perfect (I generalize from my own self), but we are not the ones building fences around the democrat plantations.

97 posted on 10/01/2019 7:14:54 AM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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As a matter of fact, conservatives force “real” blacks to make a false choice: to be black or conservative, as though we can’t be both.

That’s not a fact at all. It’s an opinion. Here’s mine:

Blacks force “real” blacks to make a false choice: to be black or conservative, as though they can’t be both.

98 posted on 10/01/2019 7:39:17 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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