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WHO WOULD A UKRAINE SCANDAL HURT MORE, TRUMP OR BIDEN?
Powerline ^ | September 22,2019 | PAUL MIRENGOFF I

Posted on 09/22/2019 4:57:05 PM PDT by Hojczyk

As things stand now, it’s unclear whether the Ukraine “whistle blower” matter is a serious scandal. In my view, it will become one only if President Trump used American aid as a quid-pro-quo in trying to induce Ukraine to investigate the Bidens or if he significantly delayed the release of such aid because Ukraine hadn’t agreed to investigate.

For purposes of discussion, let’s assume this becomes a serious scandal, or at least one that the Democrats and the media firmly believe they can get major mileage from. Who would be hurt more, Donald Trump or Joe Biden?

I think Biden would be. In any plausible scenario I can foresee now, the Ukraine matter will not result in Trump’s removal from office via impeachment. Nor will it cost him the Republican nomination next year.

But a major Ukraine scandal could easily cost Biden the nomination. Why? Because Democrats cannot effectively make a big issue out of such a scandal as long as Biden is their nominee.

Biden will claim, in fact has claimed, that his desire to oust the Ukrainian prosecutor had nothing to do with the fact that the guy was investigating his son. He just thought the fellow was a bad prosecutor.

This argument doesn’t pass the straight face test. Democrats will not want to be saddled with it.

If party bosses still controlled the nomination process, and if they concluded that the Ukraine matter should be a major line of attack against Trump, they would kill the Biden nomination is a smoke-filled room.

Party bosses no longer control the nomination process (except when they do; see Clinton, Hillary). Primary voters and caucus goers do. But the polls suggest that the biggest thing in Biden’s favor is his supposed strength as a candidate against Trump.

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1 posted on 09/22/2019 4:57:05 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Biden, because of GUILTY


2 posted on 09/22/2019 5:01:01 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Hojczyk
This is a Biden scandal which the media had ignored despite prima facie evidence from Biden himself.

Caught a bit of Giuliani being interviewed this morning on Fox--interviewer seemed hostile, just kept repeating the Democrat talking points. So maybe we can expect Fox to be pretty much like ABC, NBC, and CBS in the next 14 months in how they treat the candidates.

3 posted on 09/22/2019 5:03:24 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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WHO WOULD A UKRAINE SCANDAL HURT MORE, TRUMP OR BIDEN?

The questions is not who would it hurt. Who would it help.

This has Elizabeth Warren with Hillary's resources all over it. This one was spawned to get Biden knocked out of the nomination race.

4 posted on 09/22/2019 5:03:37 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Hojczyk
Based on your assumption, you have the President guilty....just like the Russian Collusion Scenario.

Now I didn't see Congress screaming about getting the money to Ukraine by "X". But I will look into it further.

I believe President Trump was being cautious about what we were furnishing the Ukraine....because it was unlike what was furnished under the Obama administration.

5 posted on 09/22/2019 5:06:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: gunsequalfreedom

The frontal assault was from Trump. Why? He wants Biden out before he wins the nomination? Why? Well, the neverTrumpers. Biden is an old time establishment liberal. The RINOs can work with him. Progs and socialists? Not so much.


6 posted on 09/22/2019 5:07:08 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Hojczyk
No Brainer. It destroys Biden and it tarnishes Obama's reputation. The whole fraud of our involvement in Ukraine regime change gets exposed. The media never bothered exposing the misdeeds of the Obama administration.

One consequence of "Russia, Russia, Russia" is that US citizenry never thought about the chaos the US caused.

7 posted on 09/22/2019 5:10:28 PM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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It will be a Democrat disaster. The same as will happen if they try to impeach Trump for profiting from his office. Not one member of Congress can withstand an examination of their wealth since they took office. They ALL become millionaires while holding elected office.


8 posted on 09/22/2019 5:13:21 PM PDT by Spok
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It is President Trump's style to knock out the competition one at a time. With any luck, Biden will be out within two weeks. Then he can go after Warren. She talks a good game but actually is a beneficiary of the money she whines about.

How long will it take before folks can't stand her voice anymore? Then, on to Bernie.

9 posted on 09/22/2019 5:14:11 PM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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To: AndyJackson

Excellent point about the NeverTrumpers.


10 posted on 09/22/2019 5:14:19 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Hojczyk

How would this hurt President Trump? He is supposed to fight corruption like Biden engaged in whenever he becomes aware of it.


11 posted on 09/22/2019 5:19:02 PM PDT by jospehm20
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I would guess Trump is playing 3D chess again. He has the dems destroying themselves.


12 posted on 09/22/2019 5:19:10 PM PDT by oldasrocks (Heavily Medicated for your Protection.)
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To: Hojczyk

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/03/us-lawmakers-press-trump-to-release-aid-for-ukraine-to-fight-russia/


13 posted on 09/22/2019 5:19:27 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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How many people were pressured and threatened to say something to damage Trump, even if they had to make it up? This accusation, even if true, is the height of duplicity and hypocrisy.


14 posted on 09/22/2019 5:20:50 PM PDT by Spok
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To: grania
Then he can go after Warren. She talks a good game but actually is a beneficiary of the money she whines about.

Warren is Hillary. They're in cahoots.

15 posted on 09/22/2019 5:22:07 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Hojczyk

I don’t think we have even scratched the surface, let’s examine Fineswine,Schumer,Pelosi,Nadler Schiff,.... Finances and see exactly where they get their bribe money and kickbacks from


16 posted on 09/22/2019 5:31:31 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: jospehm20

Thumbs up.
So let me get this straight:
The Chief Law Enforcement officer in the country asked or called for an investigation into potential criminal activity - and that is an impeachable offense?


17 posted on 09/22/2019 5:37:44 PM PDT by JCM
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To: Hojczyk

There is no “Ukraine Scandal” for Trump, as hard as they are trying to drum one up.

Nope.

Biden, however, DOES have a “Ukraine Scandal”.


18 posted on 09/22/2019 5:42:18 PM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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To: AndyJackson
The democRATS want Biden out. They know he can't beat Trump.

Too old, too stammering, too tired, too much baggage, too gaffe-prone.

19 posted on 09/22/2019 5:42:22 PM PDT by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Any fool can watch the film of Joe Biden blackmailing the president of the Ukraine, why haven’t the fools at the Justice Dept. started an investigation or called a grand jury to probe this outrageous act of blackmail.


20 posted on 09/22/2019 5:48:36 PM PDT by cabbieguy ("I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up")
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