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1 posted on 09/05/2019 9:44:31 AM PDT by grundle
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“Did the Obama administration commit ‘the biggest accounting fraud in history’ with student loans?”

Perhaps, but HE is the biggest Fraud ever perpetrated on America, and VERY FEW CARE (anymore, or because they prefer their OWN ineligible candidates).


2 posted on 09/05/2019 9:47:15 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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The WSJ op-ed also highlighted the rising number of severely delinquent student loans since then and blamed the Obama administration for expanding plans in 2012 for new borrowers “to reduce defaults, buy off millennial voters and disguise the cost of its student-loan takeover.”

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The main purpose was to subsidize all the leftists that dominate universities and colleges.


3 posted on 09/05/2019 9:48:43 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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Housing bubble was bigger, and it was all about misrepresentation of risk through accounting fraud.


4 posted on 09/05/2019 9:48:47 AM PDT by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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“This may be the biggest accounting fraud in history.”

It pairs well with Obama's "Biggest Cabal of Coup Plotters and Seditionists" in history.

6 posted on 09/05/2019 9:49:05 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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It did and this is a story that needs to get out to students and millenials and gen zs

Very important for them to know how leftists screwed them.


8 posted on 09/05/2019 9:58:32 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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It’s the kind of graft that was the catalytic fuel that brought us Obama, or whatever his name or country he claims at the moment. He did it all on the student loan dime.


9 posted on 09/05/2019 10:00:16 AM PDT by blackdog
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Obama did it so Hillary could ‘forgive’ it.


12 posted on 09/05/2019 10:08:39 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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YES


14 posted on 09/05/2019 10:11:59 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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The Obama administration made staying in school the "road more traveled" during bad economic times by making student loans readily available for worthless unmarketable degrees. It kept young people off the unemployed rolls while they ran up huge debts and became debt slaves to the socialist welfare state that they have been being indoctrinated by since they were in kindergarten.

And now it's time to pay the piper from wages and tips earned at Starbucks or the neighborhood craft beer brewery.

17 posted on 09/05/2019 10:18:54 AM PDT by Perseverando (For Progressives, Islamonazis, Statists, Commies & other DemoKKKrats: It's all about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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Obama, fraud appear in same place. It is repeat


18 posted on 09/05/2019 10:20:00 AM PDT by Lee25
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I believe they tied the student loans to ACA so that in years to come they would force those with debt to work for the government. When Trump won it derailed the plan. Now they want to forgive the loans to crash the economy and force them into government servitude.


19 posted on 09/05/2019 10:20:21 AM PDT by raybbr (The left is a poison on society. There is no antidote. Running its course will be painful. You)
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The biggest accounting fraud in history is the Social Security scam.


20 posted on 09/05/2019 10:43:31 AM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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Per the article

“WSJ argued that eliminating private lenders from the student loan market severely hurt Americans and that by using fair-market accounting, it becomes clear that student loans will actually cost taxpayers nearly $307 billion over the next 10 years.”


21 posted on 09/05/2019 10:43:33 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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The entire Federal Government is nothing but a massive ongoing accounting fraud.


22 posted on 09/05/2019 10:52:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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bttt


23 posted on 09/05/2019 10:54:23 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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The never use the word NET savings. They don’t see things as systems...................


25 posted on 09/05/2019 10:58:47 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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This is just another one of those “shovel ready” projects.

Where did it all go?


26 posted on 09/05/2019 11:00:45 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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"Did the Obama administration commit 'the biggest accounting fraud in history' with student loans?"
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

I know that patriots like to blame Obama for lots of things. But in the example of student loans, he had some help from the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification, post-FDR era Congress, especially since the Founding States gave the "power of the purse" (1.7.1) uniquely to the House of Representatives.

In the example of this thread, lawless Obama was wrong to eliminate the role of private lenders since the states have never expressly constitutionally given Congress banking powers. This is evidenced by the following excerpt from the writings of Thomas Jefferson when he explained that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention had considered giving banking powers to Congress, but had decided against it.

“A proposition was made to them to authorize Congress to open canals, and an amendatory one to empower them to incorporate. But the whole was rejected, and one of the reasons for rejection urged in debate was, that then they would have a power to erect a bank, which would render the great cities, where there were prejudices and jealousies on the subject, adverse to the reception of the Constitution [emphasis added].” —Jefferson’s Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791.

Jefferson had also officially indicated that the states would first need to appropriately amend the Constitution to give Congress the express power to stick its big nose (my wording) into the affairs of INTRAstate schools before Congress could do so, something that the states have never done.

On a few articles of more general and necessary use, the suppression in due season will doubtless be right, but the great mass of the articles on which impost is paid is foreign luxuries, purchased by those only who are rich enough to afford themselves the use of them. Their patriotism would certainly prefer its continuance and application to the great purposes of the public education, roads, rivers, canals, and such other objects of public improvement as it may be thought proper to add to the constitutional enumeration of federal powers [emphases added].”—Thomas Jefferson : Sixth Annual Message to Congress

Justice Joseph Story had likewise indicated that intrastate schooling was constitutionally hands-off to the feds.

"The power to regulate manufactures, not having been confided to congress, they have no more right to act upon it, than they have to interfere with the systems of education, the poor laws, or the road laws, of the states [emphases added]. Congress is empowered to lay taxes for revenue, it is true; but there is no power to encourage, protect, or meddle with manufactures." —Joseph Story, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1, Commentaries on the Constitution 2

The main reason that the feds have been able to steal so many state powers in the last 70+ years is this imo. Using inappropriate words like "concept" and "implicit" here is what was left of unique, 10A-protected powers of the states to serve the people after FDR’s state sovereignty-ignoring, activist majority justices got finished with it in Wickard v. Filburn.

The remedy for unconstitutionally big federal government on our backs…

Patriots need to elect a new patriot Congress in the 2020 elections that will not only promise to support PDJT's vision for MAGA, now KAG, but will also do this.

The new Congress also need to promise to surrender state powers that the feds have been stealing from the states back to the states.

And to make such changes permanent, patriots also need to support PDJT in leading the states to repeal the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments.

Remember in November 2020!

MAGA! Now KAG! (Keep America Great!)


28 posted on 09/05/2019 11:02:08 AM PDT by Amendment10
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History of student loans

NDSL - National DEFENSE Student Loans (war years for appeasement and deferrals)

NDSL - National DIRECT Student Loans (rats)

Then converted to banks, (pubs)

Then converted to govt again. (rats)


30 posted on 09/05/2019 11:07:33 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Democrats want to Nationalize Education

Democrats want to Nationalize several kinds of Debt

Democrats want to Nationalize anything that "affects the Climate"

Democrats want to Nationalize Health Care

Democrats want to Nationalize Abortion laws

Democrats want to Nationalize College Loans

but they damn sure want to Internationalize our Borders.

31 posted on 09/05/2019 11:14:43 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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