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Guatemalan Mayas not coming to take advantage of US generosity
The Hill ^ | 09/03/19 | Brent Metz

Posted on 09/03/2019 9:17:38 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

Guatemalan Mayas do not migrate to the U.S. without knowing the deadly risks. A quarter century ago a common refrain was, ‘Migrants expect to find U.S. streets paved with gold.’ Studies revealed then that the poorest of the poor did not migrate because they did not have the resources to invest in it. Today, the poorest of the poor, knowing the infamous risks of ruthless gangs, unscrupulous narcotraffickers, insatiable swindlers, and predatory police, army officials, immigration officials, and train guards, pick up their entire families and start walking, riding trains, trucks, and boats, to seek refuge in a foreign, hostile land. Why? Survival and hope.

The recent Guatemalan national election, with only 42 percent of the electorate bothering to vote for two candidates previously involved in questionable dealings, confirms the lack of hope in the political process.

Why are Mayas without hope? Let me count the ways by examining the population with whom I have worked since 1990, the Ch’orti’ Maya, two of whom died on the border in the past year. First, they lack land for subsistence. Guatemala, a country in which much of the indigenous population partially subsists off the land, has long had extremely unequal land tenure. Meanwhile, the population attempting to live off their small slice of the pie has multiplied arithmetically over the past century and a half, with the overall national population climbing from 1.2 million in 1880 to an estimated 17 million today. Many such farmers have migrated either to clear forests in northern Guatemala and Honduras or to cities for work, but for the past few decades there are no forests left to colonize and employment is scarce.

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It looks like another failed central American country.

Get ready for the Guatemalan Mayas.

1 posted on 09/03/2019 9:17:38 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

I had a Guatemalan Maya the other day and it was OK but I’ll take a Gyro over it any time.

The white sauce isn’t as good on a Maya.

(That last comment could be considered loaded. No pun intended)


2 posted on 09/03/2019 9:20:35 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Boiling that all down to the Readers Digest version:

Agrarian economy in a small country with a limited amount of land for farming. Growing population. Not everyone can grab a slice of land for subsistence farming so they’re forced to go wandering for a way to sustain themselves.

The answer is improved education and industrialization.


3 posted on 09/03/2019 9:22:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: dp0622
I had a Guatemalan Maya the other day

Don't you mean "Guatemalan with Mayo"? :P
4 posted on 09/03/2019 9:23:42 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Yeah, let's GO THERE. I'm ready...)
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To: gimme1ibertee

LOL


5 posted on 09/03/2019 9:24:18 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: yesthatjallen

A with a reverse in theocratic dogma and an update in modern technique and antibiotics training they could turn out to be the world’s greatest cardiac surgeons.


6 posted on 09/03/2019 9:29:49 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Socialism is great, 300 million dead Socialists can't be wrong)
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To: yesthatjallen

If there was an adult height requirement of 5 feet, we could keep most of them out.


7 posted on 09/03/2019 9:31:48 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: yesthatjallen

Guatemala is so “failed” it seems to be right up there with Somalia


8 posted on 09/03/2019 9:35:51 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: yesthatjallen

Guatemalan state is notorious for being controlled by an anti-indigenous, sexist oligarchy, whose example infects the nation. Gender and sexual discrimination, particularly against homosexuals, is rampant,


Folks, read the article. liberalism will fix it.....................


9 posted on 09/03/2019 9:38:04 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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You mean they’re proposing “land reform” (i.e. grabbing the land away from them that’s gots and giving to them that ain’t, Robert Mugabe-style).

Yeah, that never works.


10 posted on 09/03/2019 10:01:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: yesthatjallen

The same Spanish-colonial inspired culture that took hold in Guatemala has prevailed in Mexico as well. The political class of Mexico knows that and they have no sympathy for the economically displaced in Guatemala, much less their own in places like Chiapas. So Mexico tries to pass the problem on to the U.S. so the landless in Guatemala and the landless in Mexico do not join forces and displace the political elites in both countries.


11 posted on 09/03/2019 10:25:01 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: gimme1ibertee
"Guatemalan with Mayo?"

"Drowning in poverty" = "Sinko de Maya".

Poverty has always been a driving force for migration. But I wonder how much of the current whopping increase in migration is due to more poverty, vs how much is due to Soros-backed US leftist $$ buying local ads pushing migration as the answer to their problems, promising unlimited US taxpayer-supported womb-tomb care, providing bus transportation to the US border, running training sessions on how to lie your way in under the asylum rules, and so on.

12 posted on 09/03/2019 10:32:51 AM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC ("Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt" - Pr. Herbert Hoover)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The answer is improved education and industrialization.

And where is the money going to come from for that? The wealthy and powerful there have no incentive to change things.

13 posted on 09/03/2019 10:33:48 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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And where is the money going to come from for that? The wealthy and powerful there have no incentive to change things.

Well Trump is shutting of their relief valve so either they'll find incentive or find themselves at the spear tip of a Communist revolution.


14 posted on 09/03/2019 10:57:59 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: yesthatjallen

99% of all immigration is for our freebies.


15 posted on 09/03/2019 10:59:55 AM PDT by bgill
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Well Trump is shutting of their relief valve so either they'll find incentive or find themselves at the spear tip of a Communist revolution.

At which point they'll just move to Miami or the Caymans with their millions.

16 posted on 09/03/2019 11:19:16 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

We are helping with industrialization, we import many things from Guatemala especially textiles and clothing that employs many Guatemalan citizens. I think their worst problem is corrupt government but most countries including ours are dealing with the same. We need to fix our own issues.

The thing is if we really try to help them, then we are horrible imperialists who interfere in their business and everything that is wrong or ever will be is our fault. I really think we need to mind our own business. The only thing we could do to really help is to throw out their government and install a replacement that suits us. That is very drastic and I don’t support doing that at all, though I have heard socialists say that is what we should do..yes antiwar socialists. That has not worked well for us in the past to get involved that way in other countries- horrible idea.

We need to stay out of it, and anyone living there that wants to move here needs to do it completely above board and legally immigrate. No one has the right to come here illegally for any reason. We have no obligation to citizens of other countries.

This is part of why we need a wall, we cannot and should not take on citizens from other countries just because they would rather be here for whatever reason.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/guatemala


17 posted on 09/03/2019 11:24:35 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: yesthatjallen

They need to stay where they are and learn to code.


18 posted on 09/03/2019 11:25:27 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: grumpygresh

Ha. Long time ago I went to Guatemala. I got paranoid because everyone was staring at me. I thought it was because I am an Orthodox Jew.

No, it was because I was 6’6” with a beard. They thought I was some mythical monster.


19 posted on 09/03/2019 11:26:47 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Yes I firmly believe people are being recruited from many countries and their travel is highly organized and paid for by Soros and others like him. I think it suits the political agenda of the socialists.


20 posted on 09/03/2019 11:28:11 AM PDT by Tammy8
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