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The Afghan Mess: How To Get Out Without Creating Another
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| 08/28/2019
| Andrew Malcolm
Posted on 08/28/2019 7:38:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The initial goal of invading Afghanistan in the immediate weeks after 9/11 could not have been more clear: Get Osama bin Laden and oust the Taliban regime that gave his fanatical pack of beards safe haven to plan and practice the deadly attacks.
It was the first and so far only time NATO allies invoked the Article 5 mutual defense pact. That familiar mission creep, however, seeped in and with the best of naive intentions, the foreigners stuck around to attempt nation-building to protect the power vacuum they created.
It’s had some good days (a new Constitution now gives equal rights to men and women and millions of young girls are now in school). And it’s had many bloody days.
Now 6,533 days later, the Taliban is back. Al Qaeda too and ISIS cells are blowing up weddings to create fear. A massive multi-year drought has swept the land, drastically curbing food supplies.
And polls in both Afghanistan and the U.S. are questioning the outcome and entire value of the effort that’s cost the US alone $2.4 trillion.
Gallup is just out with a new survey that found no Afghans said they were living comfortably. Ninety percent say it is difficult or very difficult to get by on household income, worst of any country surveyed. Over half the country is living below the poverty level.
The Trump administration has been negotiating a peace agreement with the Taliban to engineer a pullout of most of the remaining 13,000 troops or at least a cover story for the pullout.
After the sharia brutality of the Taliban’s 1990s rule, many doubt their word, even if its fervent believers could also control al Qaeda and ISIS. Yet to come are negotiations between the Taliban and central government. Regional warlords are reported preparing for a likely civil war.
Oh, and national elections are set for Sept. 28.
Trump has talked for four years about reducing foreign military entanglements and appears closing on an Afghan decision that has taken the lives of 2,435 Americans, 1,143 allies and untold thousands of Afghans.
And Americans seem to agree about a withdrawal. A recent Pew Research Center poll found six-in-ten veterans and Americans feel the nation’s longest war was “not worth fighting.”
Reality is, no army in history has successfully controlled all of Afghanistan — not Alexander the Great, not Genghis Khan, not the British, not the Russians, not the Americans.
The 2011 military intervention in Libya of Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama successfully ousted and killed Moammar Gaddafi. But it also created an oil-rich failed state now home to roaming bands of terrorist militias pillaging and training for infiltration adventures in Africa.
The Afghan question now becomes, how does the United States extricate itself from a hopeless ground war without recreating another lawless territory where a new generation of plotters can plan and practice future assaults on the homeland?
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; exitstrategy; isis; oef; taliban; trumpgwot; trumpmiddleeast
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To: SeekAndFind
The Afghan question now becomes, how does the United States extricate itself from a hopeless ground war without recreating another lawless territory where a new generation of plotters can plan and practice future assaults on the homeland?
Nuke them. Every square inch.
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posted on
08/28/2019 7:48:59 AM PDT
by
Lurker
(Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
To: SeekAndFind
All the viable solutions involve cobalt 60.
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posted on
08/28/2019 7:51:02 AM PDT
by
MrEdd
(Caveat Emptor)
To: Lurker
We really should have turned the entire country into smoldering glass on 9/12. Like I posted here on that day. I have seen nothing that changed my mind in the interval.
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posted on
08/28/2019 7:56:29 AM PDT
by
wastoute
(Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
To: Lurker
The Afghan question now becomes, how does the United States extricate itself....?
Put a 40 sq/mi no-go zone around Bagram airbase and pull out of everywhere else.
We might as well at least get a Diego Garcia-type of logistics base in central Asia out of all this.
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posted on
08/28/2019 7:58:48 AM PDT
by
Psalm 73
("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
To: Lurker
IIRC I also posted on 912 something to the effect that if we didnt nuke them we really do need to apologize to the Japs.
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posted on
08/28/2019 7:58:48 AM PDT
by
wastoute
(Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
To: SeekAndFind
We do not know what is said in the talks with the Taliban but a message might be quietly delivered “Sraighten up and fly right or we will kill you”
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:01:53 AM PDT
by
bert
( (KE. NP. N.btyC. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
To: SeekAndFind
Never should have gone there. If the Taliban was that big of a deal, which I question, there were ways to deal with them that didn’t involve a 20 year war. It is beyond ridiculous. I don’t invalidate anyone who served there, but I do hold this debacle against GWB and his cronies that stood to make bank off of it.
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:09:03 AM PDT
by
bk1000
(I stand with Trump)
To: SeekAndFind
“They hate us cuz our chix can get a college education and go around in bikinis and leggings”
It’s SUCH a lie.
Are they primitive fatalists who like dirt and boy-humping?
Yes.
Do they yearn to re-create the American mid-west in the middle east..?
No.
That NeoCon fantasy is a formula to get ALL our boys killed in wars that DO NOT belong to us.
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:20:29 AM PDT
by
gaijin
To: gaijin
And up till now, they have been successful at it.
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:22:54 AM PDT
by
sport
To: SeekAndFind
Obama structured the war in Afghanistan as not just a defeat for America, he set up a meat grinder for the military for demoralization and waste and wearing down of our equipment while allowing the Taliban to flourish and kill our people
The rules of engagement prevented our troops from effectively fighting and endangered their lives.
The casualty rate under Obama doubled over the worst month of open warfare under Bush the January Obama took office and remained that way until Trump took office
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:32:09 AM PDT
by
rdcbn
( Referentia)
To: SeekAndFind
This article and thread stand as testament to the malicious destructiveness of Western Journalism and the brutal effectiveness of anti-Western Leftist propaganda in producing a myopic, demoralized, self-pitying and defeatist public.
Cue the Khrushchev quote. The fruit is ripe.
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:42:52 AM PDT
by
Justa
(If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
To: SeekAndFind
Nuke them to the stone age. When they rise again, nuke them again. The current Afgan government is not much different than the Taliban. No freedom of religion exists.
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:53:54 AM PDT
by
aimhigh
(THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
To: Psalm 73
Put a 40 sq/mi no-go zone around Bagram airbase and pull out of everywhere else. Sounds like a good start. Then how do we get our people out of Bagram airbase?
Withdrawals are dangerous. When the British withdrew from Afghanistan in the 1840's they lost their entire army to ambushes on the exit route. Over 16,000 people were killed.
Only one soldier survived.
When the Russians left Afghanistan, they did so without prior announcements and were completely gone in 24 hours. We had best do something along those lines when we leave.
Anyone that gets in the way - just kill them.
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posted on
08/28/2019 8:55:50 AM PDT
by
flamberge
(The wheels keep turning)
To: SeekAndFind
We fight like we are at war but we have not declared war since WWII. We have won most battles but continue to not finish off enemy. As we look back since 9/11,it is just an incredible waste. It makes me sick and demoralized.
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posted on
08/28/2019 9:05:40 AM PDT
by
shanover
(...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
To: SeekAndFind
The Afghan question now becomes, how does the United States extricate itself from a hopeless ground war without recreating another lawless territory where a new generation of plotters can plan and practice future assaults on the homeland? No matter what kind of agreement the Taliban make with us Infidels, the Taliban are under no obligation to honor that agreement. Their motivation is religious.
Us Infidels have to educate the public to the fact Islam is a threat to anyone who is not a Muslim.
Not that hard to prove, using he Koran, Hadiths and the life and examples set by Muhammad, and 1400 years of history.
Our problem in this area is extending tolerance to religions that threaten our existence.
We are naive to believe other religions have an underlying basis of respect and love for all people; Islam doesn't.
Only other Muslims will get respect and love, non-Muslims will be subjugated, converted to Islam or killed. -Tom
To: flamberge
"Then how do we get our people out of Bagram airbase?"
We keep it - will piss off both the Red Chinese and Russians.
I just threw out 40 sq/mi as a number - whatever we need to keep flight cycles safe from SAMS.
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posted on
08/28/2019 9:14:28 AM PDT
by
Psalm 73
("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
To: aimhigh
I have stated this before.
To truly win a war, you kill them, and their wives, and their children, and their livestock, and their crops.
You bomb them until you are bombing rubble, then you bomb them some more
You keep killing them until they beg for mercy, and then you kill them some more until YOU decide they got the message.
Then you make them pay for the drubbing you gave them.
Make it so their great-grandchildren fear the sound of military aircraft, or the sight of one of your soldiers’ shadow.
No quarter asked or given. The Romans, while they could be idiots in some ways, got that part of warfare correct.
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posted on
08/28/2019 9:25:02 AM PDT
by
Don W
(When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
To: Psalm 73
We keep it - will piss off both the Red Chinese and Russians. The rent is too damned high.
Way past time to get out of Afghanistan.
If we really want a two-way live fire training area for our Military, let's pick some place that can be resupplied by our Navy.
How about Northern Mexico?
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posted on
08/28/2019 11:11:07 AM PDT
by
flamberge
(The wheels keep turning)
To: Psalm 73
“The initial goal of invading Afghanistan in the immediate weeks after 9/11 could not have been more clear: Get Osama bin Laden and oust the Taliban regime that gave his fanatical pack of beards safe haven to plan and practice the deadly attacks.”
These were achieved and then Colin Powell started his nation building crap with the other globalist. You are correct, keep a small base, and pull out or just pull out altogether with a warning to the crazies. We can come back and kill your training camps by air or by special forces anytime we think you are messing with us. If we do come back we kill you all and we leave. There will be no aid, no food, no medicine, just death.
I can’t find a coherent strategy that has been tried in Afghanistan, day one other than the initial statement in this article which they promptly abandoned. Pull out and don’t waste another drop of blood and treasure on this 7th century crap hole.
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posted on
08/28/2019 12:10:17 PM PDT
by
sarge83
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