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Chinese missiles likely to cripple Asia-based US forces in event of conflict: report
South China Morning Post ^ | August 18, 2019 | Bhavan Jaipragas

Posted on 08/19/2019 1:19:41 AM PDT by kaehurowing

If an armed conflict broke out between Beijing and Washington, China’s hi-tech ballistic missiles would likely cripple the United States’ military bases and naval fleet across the Western Pacific region within hours, a new report by Australia-based researchers has said.

With China making rapid technological advancements and sharpening its hard power, the report urged the US and regional allies such as Australia and Japan to overhaul military investment and deployment plans, or face the prospect of American “military primacy” being undermined by the Asian power.

(Excerpt) Read more at scmp.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; expansionism; redchina; trumpasia; trumpdod; usdecline; usnavy
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To: Jim Noble
I think he’s counting USMC helicopter carriers.

I agree. But those are not aircraft carriers even though they can carry aircraft.

They are not classified as CVNs.

101 posted on 08/19/2019 5:10:28 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Spktyr

As usual you folks are only half right and mostly just plain wrong.


102 posted on 08/19/2019 5:13:09 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold. Z)
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To: ealgeone

How many CVN could USN lose in the first day of a war with China and remain functional?


103 posted on 08/19/2019 5:14:06 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re wasting your air on these guys.

They relish the idea of America being weak and defeated. It gives them something else to bitch about.

The idea of the US being the superior military power, in all areas, does not suit their bias.

Even though the US, if it was found necessary, could defeat China with conventional forces easily. Easily.

And once the threshold of nukes is crossed it it NO CONTEST.

Our stuff actually works.


104 posted on 08/19/2019 5:32:45 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: rdcbn; 2ndDivisionVet

When you add the 10 LHA/LHD, we have over 20.

And they are bigger and more capable than any other carrier in the world except an American CVN.


105 posted on 08/19/2019 5:36:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Spktyr

Ear plugs are mandatory...


106 posted on 08/19/2019 5:38:49 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Mariner

China is rapidly becoming quite strong.

Really.


107 posted on 08/19/2019 5:41:01 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: mylife

My dad flew the Hump in the CBI Campaign.
He was a civilian pilot.


108 posted on 08/19/2019 5:41:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Spktyr

The price of a CVN is existential nuclear war.

In all scenarios.


109 posted on 08/19/2019 5:44:24 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: kaehurowing

China was conqureed and occupied for a very long time. China is now assuring the world that condition will not occur again.

There is a difference in security and delusions of world conquest


110 posted on 08/19/2019 5:47:03 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.btyC. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: kaehurowing

What would Japan and South Korea if China rained downed missiles on US bases in their countries?


111 posted on 08/19/2019 5:52:20 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“If it’s too loud, you’re too old!” :P


112 posted on 08/19/2019 5:59:33 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Mariner

Only if our leadership lets it be.


113 posted on 08/19/2019 6:00:28 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Mariner

The only planes that can fly off the LHA/LHD are Harriers.


114 posted on 08/19/2019 6:01:01 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kaehurowing
"The U.S. will surrender Taiwan without a shot if the socialists get the presidency next year."

The US should have long since assured that Taiwan has nukes and delivery systems. That would give the ChiComs a whole new focus and heartburn. Assured destruction of all major mainland Chinese cities would be a deterrent.

115 posted on 08/19/2019 6:08:16 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: CIB-173RDABN

A question that might be relevant, would it be just an us vs. them conflict or could we expect help from our ‘friends’ in the region, India, Japan, Australia, NZ etc.? And does China have anybody they can count on? Maybe Pakistan, Iran. What about Russia? Does it just sit back and wait to pick up the pieces or does it join in on one side or the other? Wars often time devolve into opportunities for countries to settle old scores. Wars are seldom one on one when world powers engage.


116 posted on 08/19/2019 6:15:27 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Spktyr

Five have been retrofitted with new deck coatings.

The rest will be completed by the end of 2020.


117 posted on 08/19/2019 6:19:18 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: unread

True they’ve been raised to be global citizens. I have considered asking the millennials in my family if they consider themselves to be Americans, do the love their country and would they fight to save it, but I’m afraid of the answers I would get.


118 posted on 08/19/2019 6:19:38 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Spktyr; kaehurowing

“China’s strategy in the air is to kill the AWACS from long range then when our birds fire up their radar to compensate, swarm them with radar homing missiles fired in the hundreds by giant swarms of cheap missile hauler fighters.”

Similarly, they plan to use missile swarms on ships and bases in the region - DF-21 “Carrier Killers”, hypersonic glide warheads and cruise missiles.

That is likely why we recently withdrew from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. The 500 mile range limit gave China a huge relative free-fire range, and they have developed and deployed the capability. It was a one-sided arms race.

Post INF, the US will likely be developing and deploying longer range systems, that could attrit Chinese ships, bases and their offensive missiles before launch.

Everyone who is seriously threatened by China (like Vietnam, Taiwan and India, maybe the Philippines), or their attack dog North Korea (like South Korea and Japan) will want adequate deterrence. China has accumulated enemies all around it, well within missile range of their own critical facilities and bases (and most important cities).

Trump’s second term would like start to see such offensive capability start deploying, as the existing systems start getting range boosts; like a single shot for the existing Army HIMARS mobile launcher, or upgraded Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Some purpose built systems, like a Pershing 3 of some sort, and some boost-glide hypersonic systems could be rushed in development during that time.

And of course, the long anticipated directed energy defensive weapons to counter swarms might come along as well.

China has had a free head start, but withdrawal from INF likely means that now its game on.


119 posted on 08/19/2019 6:50:15 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Spktyr
The Rooskies seem to show little regard for their troops or sailors.
I'm told that the Russian Navy supplies lead jockstraps to men aboard their nuclear submarines...
120 posted on 08/19/2019 6:50:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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