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Why Some Christians ‘Love the Meanest Parts’ of Trump [Barf Alert!]
The Atlantic ^ | Aug 18, 2019 | Emma Green

Posted on 08/18/2019 2:18:41 PM PDT by fwdude

Ben Howe is angry at evangelicals. As he describes it, he is angry that they didn’t just vote for Donald Trump in record numbers, but repeatedly provide moral cover for his outrageous failings. He is angry that leaders of the religious right, who long claimed to be the champions of American morality, appear to have gladly traded their values for power. He is angry that Christians claim they support the president because they want to end abortion or protect religious liberty, when supporting Trump suggests that what they really want is a champion who will mock and crush their perceived enemies.

To redeem themselves, Howe believes, evangelicals have to give up their take-no-prisoners culture war.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianvote; evangelicals; homosexualagenda; trumpandgod
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To: BlackAdderess

She’s from Georgetown. Leftism started there on the east coast. The Ivy schools and the other small colleges back east went leftist long before California did.

In any case, at this point, the east coast university educated chicks wind up swarming around DC and New York generating a steady stream of this kind of thought.
Like this one for example, she was 9 or 10 when 9/11 happened. It’s idiotic to listen to people like her.


21 posted on 08/18/2019 3:12:09 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: fwdude

Sometimes it seems the media is watching an entirely different channel than the rest of the country...


22 posted on 08/18/2019 3:15:54 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: fwdude

Actually Emma Green isn’t that bad. She asks a couple of good questions. The guy who is selling the book seems pretty awful though (and she does actually make that point).


23 posted on 08/18/2019 3:16:17 PM PDT by BlackAdderess (Why does Harvard invest in developing world land grabs that harm indigenous people, then yell at us?)
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To: fwdude
what they really want is a champion who will mock and crush their perceived enemies.

Which is TOTALLY the opposite of what the Left revels in... ahem...

24 posted on 08/18/2019 3:18:40 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: melsec
Has the guy never read the Old Testament. God mocks his foes terribly at times. This guy might have read the book of “playing nice Christianity”.

How can the Old Testament be "Christianity" when it predates Christ by thousands of years? I'm pretty sure that Jesus's message is in the other half of the Bible.

25 posted on 08/18/2019 3:20:25 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: DesertRhino

The lefty thing started with the hippies on the Weat Coast, didn’t it? I mean before th the t there were the Hollywood communists, but that was really controversial with McCarthy, so it’s hard to tease that out, but it was still Left Coast. The East Coast remained far more conservative until the impeachment of President Nixon.


26 posted on 08/18/2019 3:22:57 PM PDT by BlackAdderess (Why does Harvard invest in developing world land grabs that harm indigenous people, then yell at us?)
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To: fwdude
Gee, I really want to be lectured about "morality" from the advocates of BABY MURDER, HOMOSEXUALITY, and PEDOPHILIA.

NOT.

27 posted on 08/18/2019 3:27:50 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: Teacher317
How can the Old Testament be "Christianity" when it predates Christ by thousands of years? I'm pretty sure that Jesus's message is in the other half of the Bible.

Um, Jesus is THE GOD of the Bible, both Testaments.

28 posted on 08/18/2019 3:43:22 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Magnatron
To explain to themselves why other people don't think like they do they have to come up with theories and create narratives that fit their personal world-view.

Also, it's a crowded opinion field out there and to get noticed you have to come up with new and provocative ideas to get a book deal or an article published in The Atlantic, Salon, Esquire etc.

Then the self-proclaimed intellectual class go to their cocktail parties and soirees and discuss the latest book or article which sparks "buzz" among the so-called influential class who are so much smarter than us because they read The Atlantic, Salon, and Esquire.

It's all nothing but outlandish provocative ideas to get noticed which sustains self-proclaimed intellectuals who believe everything they read in The Atlantic, Salon, and Esquire because they get to feel intellectually superior to the ignorant rubes who don't read The Atlantic, Salon, and Esquire.

It all amounts to "intellectual" masturbation.

29 posted on 08/18/2019 3:43:37 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: fwdude
This is classic Alinsky strategy - try to shame us by holding our own values against us. But in supporting Trump, we are not betraying our values. He is not a Nazi, racist, or white supremacist. He is not planning concentration camps for homosexuals or minorities. He is trying to enforce our laws against illegal immigration, trying to preserve our national sovereignty, trying to create jobs for all Americans, trying to save the middle-class, trying to avoid foolish foreign wars, trying to protect the unborn, and trying to protect the rights of religious believers against increasing threats from the left.

Meanwhile, the Dems support abortion on demand up to (and even after) the moment of birth, homosexual marriage, transgender lunacy, the criminalization of traditional Christianity, the chaos of open borders, and a totalitarian, one-party state which would be the end of republican government and intrude into every aspect of our lives.
30 posted on 08/18/2019 3:45:45 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: yesthatjallen

Ben Howe’s theology stinks. He confuses Church and State, also Law and Gospel. He thinks one is ‘persuaded’ to be a Christian by other Christians, like politics. No, only God chooses by grace through faith in Christ through the Holy Spirit’s work in the Gospel.

The State is about power to maintain order, in order that the Gospel may be freely preached and heard, not banned by authorities. President Trump does exactly that.

Too bad Ben, you were raised in poor theology and now it disappoints you. A form of Pietism.


31 posted on 08/18/2019 3:49:47 PM PDT by rephope
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To: fwdude
"How can the Old Testament be "Christianity" . . . "

Marcion revisited. The left repeatedly shows a complete lack of understanding of Christianity. Jesus was a Jew, and his thinking - and the thinking of his earliest disciples, those who wrote the books of the New Testament - was grounded in the Old Testament, the law and the prophets, both of which he explicitly defended.
32 posted on 08/18/2019 3:50:51 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: fwdude

He is angry that leaders of the religious right, who long claimed to be the champions of American morality,....”

Uh, in what way does ANYONE running against Trump represent traditional morals?


33 posted on 08/18/2019 3:51:52 PM PDT by TalBlack (Damn right I'll "do something" you fat, balding son of a bitch!)
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To: fwdude

I don’t know if Ben would like Someone that made a whip and chased the money changer out of the temple or confronted phonies to their face calling them thieves, murderers and liars.


34 posted on 08/18/2019 3:55:33 PM PDT by Rodm
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To: fwdude

Ha haaaa!!! First, they don’t like us BECAUSE of our values and now they don’t like us because our values are not stringent enough. Make up your minds, Libturds.


35 posted on 08/18/2019 4:11:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Tethingxas Eagle)
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To: rephope
Howe doesn't seem to like mega-churches and their leaders and I would say for good reason. Many of these alleged 'churches' are money-making industries.

Howe, like many mega-church critics, prescribes mega-church leaders political power to tell their congregation what to believe and do.

What Howe misses or ignores, and what most critics of mega-churches miss and ignore, is the vast majority of Christians of personal faith who don't need a mega-church leader to tell them what to think and do.

You can't ascribe what goes on in a mega-church to every Christian. Howe and others lump 'evangelicals' into one united bloc which they aren't.

There's a difference between a mega-Church and Christians who don't attend mega-churches and who think for themselves.

36 posted on 08/18/2019 4:15:46 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: fwdude
Why Some Christians ‘Love the Meanest Parts’ of Trump...it's not such a mystery - as a caller to C-Span said a couple of weeks ago, "Trump talks to Democrats the way they've been talking to Republicans for fifty years - I love him".......
37 posted on 08/18/2019 4:49:34 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: fwdude

Were evangelicals supposed to vote for Hillary or Stein? If we didn’t provide “cover” for him, would America be better off, or in even more chaos?

Has any other viable candidate, GOP or RAT, been more outspoken condemning abortion or putting America back on the path to its original good-ness? Don’t think so.


38 posted on 08/18/2019 4:59:08 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly." A. Lincoln)
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To: fwdude

Who the f’ is Ben Howe and why should I give a rat’s ass that he’s angry.


39 posted on 08/18/2019 7:52:48 PM PDT by Flick Lives (MSM, the Enemy of the People since 1898)
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To: fwdude

There are people on this forum who say we should give up.

I do not accuse them of being leftists so much as of being secularist hedonists, and so not true conservatives.

They think that homoerotic faux marriage does not damage what they call conservatism, which is almost entirely limited to economics (read: greed).


40 posted on 08/18/2019 9:39:06 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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