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In the olden days we would mimic the Soviet Navy.

We would have a present code book, rotating daily, with the decode of character groups.

Then we would establish a single HF frequency for the battle group and keep all silent until there was a flash message to be delivered.

Then, the ship with the flash traffic would send the small set of character codes VIA MORSE CODE to the battle group with a transmission lasting no more than 30 seconds. There would be no acknowledgement.

Emcon. Hack proof. Effective.

There are all sorts of contingencies worked out in Naval communications. Lots of them.

This article talks of one that made the news because it's so cute.

1 posted on 08/16/2019 5:09:26 PM PDT by Mariner
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There’s just nothing dumb about this, cause anything digital can be hacked or monitored.


2 posted on 08/16/2019 5:12:25 PM PDT by redfreedom
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American Indians?


3 posted on 08/16/2019 5:12:36 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Commitee)
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A thirty aircraft recovery at night w/no radio comms, no electronic navaid emissions from the carrier were commonplace thirty years ago. I hope they still train that way.


5 posted on 08/16/2019 5:20:23 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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Digital messages sent via low powerlaser would work. Very narrow beam, undetectable more than a few hundred meters.


6 posted on 08/16/2019 5:20:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where does it say in the Constitution anyone is entitled to the property another has labored for?)
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They could go back to Spartan message rods.


7 posted on 08/16/2019 5:20:26 PM PDT by yarddog
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They think it’s cute only because they won’t have any way to hack in.


14 posted on 08/16/2019 5:33:59 PM PDT by bgill
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Just like with the reimagined TV show Battlestar Galactica, where the captain (Edward James Olmos) demanded that the Galactica remain "old style" in their communications and computers to prevent the Cylons from hacking into their systems.

Will our Navy go back to semaphores, with the vulnerability being that they have to remain in visual range of each other?

-PJ

17 posted on 08/16/2019 5:40:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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Cool history, thank you!


18 posted on 08/16/2019 5:43:13 PM PDT by Openurmind
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Encryption algorithms *might* be subject to attack or decryption... So why not go back to something immune to that: one time pads filled with random noise. These could be distributed to fleet units by courier prior to embarking, or via helo if a unit joined up. A single DVD could contain gigabytes of random numbers for the simple transposition cypher. There’s no algorithm or equation to be broken. No frequency analysis is possible.


21 posted on 08/16/2019 5:52:33 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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“Then, the ship with the flash traffic would send the small set of character codes VIA MORSE CODE to the battle group with a transmission lasting no more than 30 seconds.”

I have been told the military no longer trains Morse code. I believe that is true but don’t know it for a fact.


22 posted on 08/16/2019 5:55:02 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; arthurus; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Ax; ...

MI Ping


23 posted on 08/16/2019 6:03:23 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again. Bring back ASA.)
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Aldis lamps and morse code, semaphore, preset code words.

Often, simpler is better.


25 posted on 08/16/2019 6:18:44 PM PDT by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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Somewhere along my military career, I remember being told that the safest way to send a message was by courier.


26 posted on 08/16/2019 6:21:11 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Bean bags because of treasonous self absorbed folks like Hillary Clinton, Sid Blumenthal, JOHN Brennan, James Clapper, Peter Sztrok, and most of the FIB.


42 posted on 08/16/2019 7:06:53 PM PDT by blackdog
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IIRC, read somewhere that backwards countries would be more likely to survive nuclear armageddon, because their technology would still work.

Hand water pumps, e.g.


46 posted on 08/16/2019 7:53:26 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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Last I heard they are still using signal lights, semaphore, and signal flags as well. Still have to be able to communicate in Emission Controls or if the radio goes out.


50 posted on 08/16/2019 10:36:44 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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“VIA MORSE CODE”

Fists are almost like fingerprints.

By the mid 70’s the good US military CW ops were Coast Guard. Globally, probably the Soviets.


53 posted on 08/17/2019 3:59:29 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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Story appeared on the 15th on the War zone:
Navy Ships Look To WWII Era Message-Filled Bean Bags To Communicate Without Radios
Helicopters would rapidly ferry the messages between ships in a reboot of a communications method that dates back to World War II. By Joseph Trevithick August 15, 2019 PS: all the branches of the Soviet military used the same code system in those 'olden days'. Other than the US navy practicing location security, US Army troops would often give their location in the 'clear' (voice) down to which tree in which farm they were sitting under along with direction how to find the farm ... always thought that was so laughable when we heard them
55 posted on 08/17/2019 4:15:04 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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