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A few words about guns and personal liberty
Creators.com ^ | 8 August 2019 | Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

Posted on 08/08/2019 5:42:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Last weekend's mass murders in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have produced a flood of words about everything from gun control to mental illness to white nationalism. Most of those words have addressed the right to keep and bear arms as if it were a gift from the government. It isn't.

The Supreme Court has twice ruled in the past 11 years that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual pre-political liberty. That is the highest category of liberty recognized in the law. It is akin to the freedoms of thought, speech and personality. That means that the court has recognized that the framers did not bestow this right upon us. Rather, they recognized its preexistence as an extension of our natural human right to self-defense and they forbade government — state and federal — from infringing upon it. It would be exquisitely unfair, profoundly unconstitutional and historically un-American for the rights of law-abiding folks — "surrender that rifle you own legally and use safely because some other folks have used that same type of weapon criminally" — to be impaired in the name of public safety.

It would also be irrational. A person willing to kill innocents and be killed by the police while doing so surely would have no qualms about violating a state or federal law that prohibited the general ownership of the weapon he was about to use. With all of this as background, and the country anguishing over the mass deaths of innocents, the feds and the states face a choice between a knee-jerk but popular restriction of some form of gun ownership and the rational and sound realization that more guns in the hands of those properly trained means less crime and more safety.

Can the government constitutionally outlaw the types of rifles used by the El Paso and Dayton killers? In a word: No. We know that because in the first Supreme Court opinion upholding the individual right to keep and bear arms, the court addressed what kind of arms the Second Amendment protects. The court ruled that the Second Amendment protects individual ownership of weapons one can carry that are of the same degree of sophistication as the bad guys have — or the government has.

The government? Yes, the government. That's so because the Second Amendment was not written to protect the right to shoot deer. It was written to protect the right to shoot at tyrants and their agents when they have stolen liberty or property from the people. If you don't believe me on this, then read the Declaration of Independence. It justifies violence against the British government because of such thefts. Governments are the greatest mass killers on the planet. Who can take without alarm any of their threats to emasculate our right to defend our personal liberties?

In theory, all of this was known by President Donald Trump when he addressed the nation last Monday and attributed the weekend slaughters to mental illness, the freedom to express hateful ideas on the internet and violent video games. He should have consulted his lawyers before he spoke. Federal law prohibits records of mental deficiencies, unless they result in involuntary institutionalization, from entering the government's databases that are consulted in background checks. And the Supreme Court has already ruled that the government cannot censor, ban or punish opinions expressed on the internet or games played there.

Then he condemned hate. Do you believe his condemnations? He has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 as "good people," even though one of them pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of a young black woman, and even though, as a candidate and later as president, he argued that the southwest United States was being "invaded" and "infested" by Hispanics.

That white supremacy ideology — "let's repel the Hispanic invaders because the feds won't do so" — resonates in the El Paso killer's manifesto, which he published about 20 minutes before he began killing. That ideology is far more widespread than most Americans realize. The FBI recently demonstrated as much. This form of hatred of people because of their immutable characteristics breeds violence. We know that some among us love to hate. That is their right, but they have no right to act violently beyond their perverse thoughts. And all people have the right to repel such violence by using guns to do so.

The president also offered his support for "red flag" laws. These horrific statutes permit police or courts to seize guns from those deemed dangerous. Red flag laws are unconstitutional. The presumption of innocence and the due process requirement of demonstrable fault as a precondition to any punishment or sanction together prohibit the loss of liberty on the basis of what might happen in the future. In America, we do not punish a person or deprive anyone of liberty on the basis of a fear of what the person might do. When the Soviets used psychiatric testimony to predict criminal behavior, President Ronald Reagan condemned it. Now, the president wants it here.

The United States is not New Zealand, where a national legislature, animated by fear and provoked by tragedy, can impair fundamental liberties by majority vote. In America, neither Congress nor the states can outlaw whatever handguns or rifles they want to outlaw or infringe upon the right to own them. The government can no more interfere with Second Amendment rights than it can infringe upon any other rights. If this were not so, then no liberty — speech, press, religion, association, self-defense, privacy, travel, property ownership — would be safe from the reach of a fearful majority.

That's why we have a Constitution.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; constitution; guns; liberty
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If the leftists succeed at banning any type of guns, then the door will be open to confiscation. Then, we go to totalitarian rule. We are on the precipice. If they truly cared about the violence perpetrated using guns, the liberals, in control of Chicago, would have done something about the problem there a long time ago, but they do nothing. They don't care about the people being killed. They only want the violence to further their agenda. And, the thugs in Chicago will still have their guns.
1 posted on 08/08/2019 5:42:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Hey Andy:

Quoting the FBI is a non-starter.

The 2A is not about the right to hunt, it is about the right to shoot back.

There a lot less words.


2 posted on 08/08/2019 5:46:12 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Twitter, Facebook and New York City do not represent the real world.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Cut your penis off to prevent rape!” This is the level of retardation we are dealing with.


3 posted on 08/08/2019 5:48:56 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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The court ruled that the Second Amendment protects individual ownership of weapons one can carry that are of the same degree of sophistication as the bad guys have — or the government has.

The government? Yes, the government. That's so because the Second Amendment was not written to protect the right to shoot deer. It was written to protect the right to shoot at tyrants and their agents when they have stolen liberty or property from the people.

Read. Read the article please.

4 posted on 08/08/2019 5:51:53 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Immutable characteristics” = crossing the border illegally, ahead of others who patiently applied for entry, for economic gain?

Nap’s on bad drugs...


5 posted on 08/08/2019 5:57:52 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Even animals and plants protect themselves when threatened. Only a tyrant wants you helpless before them.


6 posted on 08/08/2019 6:01:14 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Isn't Judge Andrew P. Napolitano the guy who says Trump is guilty of obstruction?
7 posted on 08/08/2019 6:02:24 AM PDT by zeestephen
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He has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 as "good people,"

Napolitano hates Trump ever since Trump refused to appoint him to the Supreme Court. He knows this accusation about Charlottesville is a distortion, a lie. Trump wasn't talking about the white supremacists when he said there were good people on both sides. Yet Napolitano can't help himself. He has to take another gratuitous dig at Trump, even though it has nothing to do with the theme of the article.

8 posted on 08/08/2019 6:03:02 AM PDT by Rocky
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It was written to protect us from abusive governments.. like those who would use the IRS to target political opponents.
Our. Government.
No infringement. We should be able to own every weapon the government does. We gave up that right.
Now the president is saying the red flag rules will save us from criminals?
It wasnt about criminals, heck in yhose days, it seemed redundant to say you can protect yourself from criminals.
That is a God given right.
Shall not be infringed. Pretty darned clear.
My lib acquaintances are giddy and excited over trumps red flag agreement.
So we get to choose, agree with him and our countey will breathe it’s last free breath when he inks this.
Disagree with him. Support the future of your children to be as free as possible.
So its him, or your future generations on this one.


9 posted on 08/08/2019 6:03:41 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Do you know anyone who isnÂ’t a socialist after 65? Freedom exchanged cash, a medicare card control.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The leftist media is stirring up hate and violence by cramming its agenda down our throats. Unstable individuals are predictably reacting with psychotic behavior. The left lives for mass murder. Pain and suffering are the vehicles for their campaign of hate.


10 posted on 08/08/2019 6:04:13 AM PDT by Spok ( W)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Which creates the conditions for full outright violent revolt.


11 posted on 08/08/2019 6:09:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Rocky

He’s a militant queer who has to hate Trump to maintain his welcome in homo circles. He was only a state court judge for a couple years. That’s not a serious USSC contender.


12 posted on 08/08/2019 6:09:31 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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He has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 as "good people,"

Damn it Andy!

You KNOW that's a LIE!!!!

Trump was talking about the 2 sides addressing the removal of the Lee statue!!!!

He specifically CONDEMNED the Antifa and white supremacists acting out separately!!!

13 posted on 08/08/2019 6:10:05 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

And there is another 2nd Admendment case coming to the USSC this coming autumn.


14 posted on 08/08/2019 6:12:03 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"Governments are the greatest mass killers on the planet. Who can take without alarm any of their threats to emasculate our right to defend our personal liberties?"

Needs repeating...

15 posted on 08/08/2019 6:16:05 AM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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"The government can no more interfere with Second Amendment rights than it can infringe upon any other rights."

This is the fatal flaw in the author's logic. He assumes that the government must obey the constitution.

There are many politicians and government people who don't believe this. And they have power. And they act.

16 posted on 08/08/2019 6:25:48 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: unread
Over and over. If they enact these Red Flag Laws, we have had it. It won't happen in one fell swoop, but it will be nibble, nibble, nibble. They prefer not to do it in one fell swoop. They prefer to nibble. Then they can dispose of people as they go.

The mistake the Nazis made with the Jews was that right after the decision was made to get rid of them [exterminate] they discovered that they did not have a place or places to hold them and that they did not have an efficient manner to execute them. A number of methods were tried until they hit upon the gas chambers, including putting them in buses with a hose running from the engine to the bu s. It is in their history that and more. Read it.

17 posted on 08/08/2019 6:31:32 AM PDT by sport
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Governments are the second greatest mass killers on the planet, second to mosquitos per a previous very interesting article.


18 posted on 08/08/2019 6:33:08 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Prov 24: Do not fret because of evildoers. Do not associate with those given to change.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

2nd Amendment bump for later.....


19 posted on 08/08/2019 6:33:48 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: momincombatboots

They don’t care. At all.


20 posted on 08/08/2019 6:36:54 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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