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The Houston no knock raid on the Tuttles at 7815 Harding Street, looks worse and worse for the Houston PD.

Both Tuttles were killed in the raid. Now, it seems the crime scene investigation was very sloppy.

1 posted on 08/02/2019 4:29:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Rhogena Nicholas, was a supporter of President Trump...

Definitely not put in the article for no reason.

Are they saying her supporting of Trump contributed to the incident?


2 posted on 08/02/2019 4:32:34 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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Where is the article?


3 posted on 08/02/2019 4:38:00 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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If I kill someone in the mistaken impression that he was a threat, then I am in trouble.

In no knock raids, we need to apply absolute liability to the cops for the accuracy of their information. Perhaps that would reduce enthusiasm for SWAT raids.


7 posted on 08/02/2019 4:43:00 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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“...Of the last 109 cases where Officer Goines swore out search warrants, all made claims of guns, but no guns were recorded as having been seized. ....But in every one of the more than 100 drug cases based off those warrants, there’s no record of Goines ever seizing a gun after executing a no-knock search warrant...”

Sounds like “Officer” Goines needs a little bit of Federal looking-into.

Maybe a Federal “No-Knock” 3am flashbang boogie woogie raid on HIS house would turn up some interesting items.

Two innocent people and their dog murdered, and what happens now...?


12 posted on 08/02/2019 4:51:39 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: marktwain
I'd like to see a total ban on no-knock raids like this.
If the cops want to talk to someone, come in daylight with a warrant.

If they want to hit a known drug house, show up in full view and surround the house.
Give them plenty of time to flush their drugs down the toilet.
Then leave.

14 posted on 08/02/2019 4:57:58 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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“There is no situation so bad that it cannot be made worse by the presence of a policeman.”
They only ‘serve & protect’ government.


15 posted on 08/02/2019 5:03:26 AM PDT by glasseye ("24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not." ~ H. L. Mencken)
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"Two shots fired 30 minutes after the gun battle"?

Well, isn't that something..

16 posted on 08/02/2019 5:05:17 AM PDT by Chainmail (Remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence)
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But on Friday, in the warrants executed by officers investigating the botched raid, it is clear that no confidential informant ever went to the house on 7815 Harding. In fact, all informants who worked with Goines told investigators they did not go in that home.
“There’s a lot of pissed off cops” HPD Chief Acevedo goes off about latest details in the officer-involved shooting


19 posted on 08/02/2019 5:26:03 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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Then murders have been committed.

When the police barge into the “wrong” house, it’s as much a crime as when a hardened criminal does it. When the innocent citizen defends himself with deadly force, it’s as much a right as if a hardened criminal breaks in.

If the police yell “police,” that may change something, but if they don’t, then they are in the wrong. The right to self defense is absolute. You don’t lose it when the police make a mistake.

Police are entrusted with the power to detain, question, and employ deadly force. This power must be executed with absolute integrity. When it isn’t, a serious crime is committed and must be prosecuted accordingly.


25 posted on 08/02/2019 5:43:33 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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I like to view the “First Amendment Audits” on u-toob. One of the contributors (News Now Houston) has tried to do some similar documenting of the real story that the lamestream press isn’t interested in pursuing.

This was a bad shoot all around. Those people were murdered.


32 posted on 08/02/2019 6:12:49 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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“The FBI is also investigating the case.”

I hope the FBI does the right thing....which, to me, would be an honest, unbiased investigation.


35 posted on 08/02/2019 6:18:23 AM PDT by moovova
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Set’em Up,,,


39 posted on 08/02/2019 6:36:41 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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From the article :

"The competence of the official local forensic investigators is questionable, if they left 10 bullets and two human teeth, at the scene, to be recovered by independent forensic investigators."

IMHo, that indicates that there was a conclusion reached in advance of the forensic team going to work and when they had what they thought would make the case that the incident went down the way the officers wanted it written up they stopped.

47 posted on 08/02/2019 7:18:50 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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Honestly, this has to be one of the worst police actions I have seen in a long time. Probably since they killed LaVoy in Oregon. Here are some excerpts for those who do not have time to read the ammoland story.

“The exact timing of events is uncertain because no officers wore body cameras. Surveillance video from the house next door was confiscated by the police. Houston Police have refused to release the 911 calls.”

But, oops, they didn’t confiscate everything.....

“The independent investigators were able to recover a cell phone video of the event. The most provocative evidence claimed from the video, is two shots were fired almost 30 minutes after the raid started. The investigators claim it was shortly after those shots were fired, the police at the scene said that “Both suspects were down”. The private investigators found evidence that two shots were fired inside the home, into the back wall of the dining room, from very close range, contrary to police versions of the event”

Two shots, 30 mins after the raid started, followed by suspects down? Holes in wall from close range? Was this couple killed in cold blood?

And just in case you believe this was all just a mix up, and that the officers were doing their level best, we have this, from the leading officer.

“Goines swore in search warrant affidavits that “knocking and announcing would be dangerous, futile,” because he claimed a confidential informant had seen a gun inside. Those claims led judges to grant no-knock warrants, which accounted for 96 percent of all the search warrants he filed in the last seven years, a KHOU 11 Investigation has found.

But in every one of the more than 100 drug cases based off those warrants, there’s no record of Goines ever seizing a gun after executing a no-knock search warrant.”

Following this travesty of justice, we hear from the department. The gall of these people is just amazing. Remember, they were at the wrong house, had just murdered an American citizen along with his wife and dog.

“Enough is enough. If you’re the ones out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, well just know we’ve all got your number now,” Gamaldi said. “We’re going to be keeping track on all of y’all, and we’re going to make sure to hold you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.”

This sounds an awful lot like a threat. We are above the law due to our badges. If you question us, we will hunt you down. Great way to bring the people and the police together!

And last, but certainly not least, we see signs of officers playing soldier. They actually use the term “laying down covering fire”.

“No officers wore body cameras. Shortly after the raid, Chief Acevedo spoke of officers “laying down covering fire”. We do not know how many rounds were fired by police, or where, or aimed at who. From abc13.com on January 30th, 2019:

“After we had two officers down and another shot, the remaining officers … started laying down cover fire, left positions of cover themselves and, I believe, they heroically pulled their fellow officers out of harm’s way,” Acevedo said.”

If you go back in time on this site, you will see many freepers that were all for the police on this one. That these scum drug dealers deserved what they got. That if police batter down your door, you do not have the right to defend yourself. It was very disheartening to read and be in discussions with.

Here is a quote I found during the initial raid time frame. It sums up these no knock raids perfectly.

“Police-state style assault forces being used to violently enter a persons residence when that person is not actively engaged in violent acts are incompatible with life in a free society.

As it is better a hundred guilty go free than one innocent person be imprisoned. So too is it better a hundred guilty destroy evidence of their guilt than one innocent person’s life be risked or worse ended by an extremely violent breach of the peace initiated by agents of the State.”


50 posted on 08/02/2019 7:19:54 AM PDT by walkingdead (By the time you realize this is not worth reading, it will be too late....)
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It sounds like a clear case of Murder to me.


52 posted on 08/02/2019 7:23:31 AM PDT by Revel
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“Enough is enough. If you're the ones out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, well just know we've all got your number now,”
Gamaldi said. “We're going to be keeping track on all of y'all, and we're going to make sure to hold you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.

Wow. Threats that seem to justify claims that they are the enemy.

53 posted on 08/02/2019 7:25:13 AM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal (NorthernSentinel))
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Interesting link from article.

Motion to depose Houston Police:

https://www.scribd.com/document/419765217/Motion-to-Depose-Houston-police-in-Harding-Street-case#download&from_embed


54 posted on 08/02/2019 7:28:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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Now, it seems the crime scene investigation was very sloppy.
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Sloppy isn’t a “bug” it’s a feature... helps muddy the investigative waters .. might save a lying POS cop from prosecution. This is why I have almost no respect for law enforcement ,, even the ones that aren’t crooked will do what they can to protect the bad ones because all that matters to them is that big retirement package and they don’t want to rock the boat.


58 posted on 08/02/2019 8:19:20 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (There's a Tesla owner born every minute.)
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mark


74 posted on 08/27/2019 8:53:42 AM PDT by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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