Trump orders agencies to hand over citizenship information to Commerce

CNN ^ | July 11, 2019 | Kevin Liptak, Pamela Brown, Jim Acosta and Kaitlan Collins

[Innovative]

President Donald Trump retreated from his quest to add a question about US citizenship to the 2020 census on Thursday, instead asking government agencies to provide records that could determine a head-count of citizens without polling census-takers directly.

The turnaround comes after Trump repeatedly said he would continue fighting to insert the question despite a Supreme Court ruling that dealt a blow to the effort last month. It reflects legal reality intersecting with Trump's desire to bolster his image as an immigration hard-liner as he moves ahead with his 2020 reelection bid.

Instead of attempting to put the question on census forms, or adding it separately, Trump issued an executive order directing the Commerce Department to obtain citizenship data through means other than the census. That includes documents from the Department of Homeland Security, which houses citizenship and asylum services, and the Social Security Administration.

The order was signed and released to reporters late Thursday night.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

“WHY would ANY nation take a census that doesn’t give them a count of actual citizens?”

Because...Democrats! Next question! :)

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Nope. Not a Fail, just a Plot Change!

President Trump proves to me DAILY that he has MY best interests at heart.

He is working against a band of ‘America LAST’ rouges that are disguised as our ‘Congress.’

In, Around, Under or Through! MAGA! :)

[Pravious]

What do you think Horowitz and others have been working on?

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So what are they waiting for? The 2024 election?

[Colo9250]

It is now eight days after the Pelosi deadline, has anyone seen any ICE raids yet?

[stonehouse01]

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=trump+towers+worldwide+pictures&qpvt=trump+towers+worldwide+pictures&FORM=IGRE

This is my favorite reply to those who insist that President Trump is somehow a fool or does not know what he is doing, etc., (not you! Obviously) I also point out that he attended the Ivy League Wharton School of Finance at U Penn.

[Eleutheria5]

Independent contractors...clever.

[Pollard]

Probably well over 80% in fedgov are RESIST types who either won’t comply or will fudge the numbers.

[Eleutheria5]

Not so easy to disallow. Like the statutory rape defense: “She told ME she was over 18!” But it can be done, especially where the ‘independent contractor’ has one customer only: Stoop Labor Acres, or whatever.

[devane617]

This data is nothing more than a very muddy mess and no one will be able to correlate it into a working number. This is a Trump fail.

[Svartalfiar]

You think they actually claim them as deductions now? They just pay them cash, and are thus free from minimum wage, SSI, Unemployment, Medicaid and Medicare contributions, and if they try to unionize or even complain about conditions, just call ICE. As for government oversight, they don’t oversee much.

Money paid to employees/contractors is deductible as a business expense. Sure, they can pay cash and save a bunch of $$ on various fees and taxes, maybe worth more than the tax deduction. But, if they can still book them as 'contractors' and deduct those payments, you save even more $$.

The IRS knows a LOT. A couple simple solutions on their end would be:
- Investigate EVERY SSN used to file taxes when that person is under the age of 15 (Hell, do 15-18 once the young'uns are done!). They know the date the SSN was issued, and it's rare for young teens to have a job. Especially one that pays more than $10M or $15M a year.
- Investigate EVERY SSN that has significant multiple incomes from multiple states. Sure, some people legitimately might get paid from different places constantly, but most people that travel for work still get paid from the same central place.
- Verify/investigate every non-SSN non-business entity TINs. I'm not sure what all documents are generally required for them, but that seems another good potential place to hit after the above two.

[damper99]

Yep, total failure and engineered by folks in his administration. Can you say “Wilbur Ross”?

[datricker]

Donde esta el

???

[Pravious]

It is now eight days after the Pelosi deadline, has anyone seen any ICE raids yet?

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I was going to ask the same thing! What happened to that deadline, President Trump?!

[100American]

See Trumps directive to Commerce and others to use current info to find all illegals, especially on and using voter roles and other sources

[Eurotwit]

Trump did say in the press conference that the official 2020 census would include the data gathered as a result of this Executive Order combined with the results of the questionnaire in order to affect representation in congress as well as districting.

At least it sounds like it?

[Eurotwit]

Exactly. That is at least what was said yesterday.

[MichaelCorleone]

CNN is fake news, right?

So we can take this report with a grain of salt. Maybe a truckload of salt.

[spudville]

Because it is so much more important to know how many toilets are in the home!

[TheBattman]

Silly me - I apparently have been under a delusion that there are US Citizens of pretty much every skin color and ethnicity...

[Segovia]

seriously; I think Trumps eminent deadlines are a lot like Obama’s “red lines”. People say it just a negotiating ploy, but he’s lost a LOT of credibility. Mexico will pay for it, close the border, lock her up, throw them out, -—— and so on and so on........