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A progressive view on the Second Amendment
wnd.com ^ | 6/17/2019 | ellen RATtner

Posted on 06/17/2019 6:22:59 AM PDT by rktman

Thom Hartmann has just published a new book entitled “The Hidden History of Guns and the Second Amendment.” Thom is a progressive radio host, and he is brilliant. If I could only live in his mind for 10 minutes, I would forever be happy.

Before you turn off at the sound of “progressive,” understand Thom is a great historian; and no matter where you fall on the Second Amendment, there is plenty you can learn about the history of gun ownership in the U.S.

Hartmann goes on to talk about the election of 2016, an election most of us were able to vote in. Near the polling places, people were holding guns, showing that they had a right to carry. He says, “It’s hardly surprising that open carry has become the new white hood” (referring to what we know as the Ku Klux Klan).

He wisely points out that even the kind of paint used on children’s toys is regulated, but we have not done anything to regulate guns. You can be pro-Second Amendment and pro-gun, but you should read Thom Hartmann’s book to get the full history. It is well researched and can help anyone’s understanding of how we got here and what we can do about it.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; anothercrazy; banglist; kaba; nra; secondamendment
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To: The Pack Knight
😂👍. Yeah I saw something like that yesterday. But, not on any goggle page. I don't do anything intentional with goggle. Even though I know they have a piece of me regardless.
21 posted on 06/17/2019 7:07:12 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

I remember Black Panthers with truncheons. Where’s the iconic photo of people open-carrying outside a polling place?


22 posted on 06/17/2019 7:20:09 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: gundog

All the msm had it up as I remember. /s


23 posted on 06/17/2019 7:27:14 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: The Pack Knight

Thom Hartmann (note the pretentious spelling) is one of the lefts best propagandists. He cherry picks facts to present arguments and omits context with great skill. A deceiver of the worst kind. He has referred to Sanders as America’s Senator.


24 posted on 06/17/2019 7:28:30 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: rktman

Now it’s coming back to me....something about our cracker Attorney General not wanting to prosecute “his people.” Whitey catches all the breaks.


25 posted on 06/17/2019 7:45:02 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: Gay State Conservative; rktman

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The problem with this line of thinking is that kids toys are nowhere mentioned in the Constitution whereas the right to keep and bear arms *is* mentioned...as is a guarantee that the right to do so “shall not be infringed”.

So,Tom....a Constitutional amendment is the answer.But fear not,pal...38 state legislatures will be a piece of cake given the universal clamor for a gun free nation that you claim exists!

BWAHAHAHA!
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No offense but, IMO, the problem w/ YOUR line of thinking is the premise of “if it’s NOT in the Constitution, govt can do XYZ”

In your example, we then get into the questions of A) Define toy B) age limits there-of C) WHO sets ‘standards’...etc. IOW: An never ending ‘industry’ of govt GROWTH and Citizen/Rights trampling


26 posted on 06/17/2019 7:52:35 AM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: rktman

HERE is all one needs to know about the 2nd Amendment. The highly suppressed 1982 Senate report on the 2nd Amendment, 97th Congress. Now out of print. Bet you can’t find a complete copy on line! I have a paper copy I got back in 1984.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2015R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/68101

“The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. “

Now you see why it is so suppressed.


27 posted on 06/17/2019 8:19:21 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Note some of the names on the report are still in office today. But that was way back in the last century before the “enlightenment”. LOL!


28 posted on 06/17/2019 8:21:56 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

The car thing falls apart. You don’t have to have a driver’s license to own a car. You don’t have to get license plates if you don’t take it out in public, just keep it on your own property. You can drive it on your own property without a driver’s license. Nobody official has to know you have it. (All this is accurate so far as I know, but different states may have different laws I don’t know about.)


29 posted on 06/17/2019 8:22:14 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: rktman
Bellesiles v 2.0 ?


30 posted on 06/17/2019 9:22:44 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: Oatka
😉
31 posted on 06/17/2019 9:47:27 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman
I WILL NOT COMPLY.

Your move, RATner.

32 posted on 06/17/2019 9:55:47 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Increase in font size regulations.


33 posted on 06/17/2019 9:58:30 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman
...but we have not done anything to regulate guns.

Nope, nothing at all. What a load of horse Hillary.

34 posted on 06/17/2019 10:15:25 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
🐎💩
35 posted on 06/17/2019 10:17:21 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

Ratner proves anyone can sell anything


36 posted on 06/17/2019 10:23:20 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: rktman

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37 posted on 06/17/2019 11:04:18 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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