Posted on 06/15/2019 3:11:28 PM PDT by PROCON
California ammo buyers are making a run on gun shops ahead of a new state law, which on July 1 will require buyers of bullets to show identification and undergo a background check to screen out felons and people with illegal firearms.
In a state with the toughest gun laws in the nation, Gov. Gavin Newsom and some other leaders see restricting ammunition sales as a necessary next step in reducing gun tragedies.
Newsom included restrictions on bullets in Proposition 63, his statewide initiative that was approved by voters in 2016 and that helped raise his profile for his run for governor.
“From San Bernardino to Ventura to Poway, too many Californians have already died from gun violence,” Newsom said last week. “I championed Prop. 63 because it is beyond time that we take common sense actions such as these to keep deadly ammo out of the wrong hands and protect our communities.”
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Eley primed,,
Could You explain what
That is?
Washington is going to be a mirror of Cali starting July 1. Waiting periods and background checks + $25 for ammo, reloading tools, powder, brass and primer, plus of course on ammo. Mandatory safety classes, even if you have a CC license, and longer State waiting periods alongside the Federal. All weapons not a single shot are classified as Assault weapons, including my conceal 9mm. You must transfer all gifts that you are going to give to family or friends to an FFL, and background check is in play, plus the $25 fee and a class.
I don’t know about Nevada, it is too liberal for me. Texas, will be flipped Blue in 2020. Idaho, S or N Dakota, Wyoming, Alabama, or maybe Kansas is reliably free for the foreseeable future. Everywhere else is up for grabs. Even Arizona, New Mexico and Utah are squishy now.
It doesn't matter why you championed it, Gavin. Everything you touch turns into $hit....literally.
You sure about that? I don't recall in my reading that 1639 put waiting periods or background checks on all those items. Just quickly searched the 1639 text and couldn't find it. Not an expert, please inform me if wrong.
“Over the years I have observed ammo manufacturers other than ELEY claim ELEY primed 22LR cases. I thought it just advertising hype. But a recent magazine article explained why ELEY priming is different.”
https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/eley-primed-22lr-ammo.181190/
“people with illegal firearms”
Are felons buying grenades for
their launchers? Maybe I’m
behind here a little, but what
caliber ammo is used in illegal
firearms that can’t be used in
(California) legal ones?
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people are. Not knowing the difference between bullets and ammunition should disqualify anyone from discussing firearms and anything related to the topic.
“Attn: All California orders must be shipped to an FFL or AVL. We cannot ship to your residence.”
A bit of an inconvenience, but
find friends in bordering states
and have your ammo shipped there.
They can in turn, mail it to you,
or you can go pick it up.
Personally, I avoid Aguila. The last box of Aguila .22 that I purchased contained a cartridge that looked like it had been twisted with pliers. It was so deformed, I was surprised the priming compound hadn't ignited. About the same time (one of the Obama ammunition panics) I found a steel-cased .223 cartridge in a box from the former USSR, with the primer smashed into the primer pocket sideways. Each might have been a "one in a million" failure of quality control, but I've never seen anything similar in a box of American-made ammunition. So, I inspect all ammunition before use (common sense!), and mostly avoid foreign brands (although I have one rifle that favors Norma Jaktmatch ;^)...
Don’t think I’ve ever bought Aguila. But I’ve bought lots of foreign made ammo that was good quality. Armscor and Privi Partisan come to mind. I usually buy federal premium for match grade Ammo, but I took a chance on PP for some match grade 250 gr .338 Lapua and it shoots .75 MOA out of the box. Big savings, like 2.50 a round vs 6.00 per round.
Okay - next time I’ll give them a try.
On ammo shipping, you have to have an ORD sticker on the box so the shipper knows what's in there (that's the way it comes to my dad's house). I wonder when the fruit inspection stations on the CA's border will ask if you're carrying ammo in your vehicle coming into the state.
Well, you can avoid ‘foreign’ brands Aguila 22 cal , but most serious shooters don’t because suppliers can’t keep it on their shelves.
Thanks Beagle,
Hit the link and now
I’m Educated.
CCI MiniMag has been
My standard but I try
Others as well.
Actually, "most serious shooters" don't claim 'Brand A is the most accurate ammo on the planet!' (If you want to discuss that topic in greater detail, I'm happy to oblige.) As I said, I "mostly" avoid foreign brands (because of cost for the 'top shelf' brands, plus the previously mentioned QC issues for the cheaper stuff), but I'll give them a try if they're cost competitive, and I'm looking for something that'll perform well in a new firearm. (How do you think I settled on Norma Jaktmatch, in the example I mentioned?) Frankly, the reason "suppliers can’t keep [foreign ammuntion] on their shelves" probably has more to do with price than quality - cost is just a higher priority for many buyers...
“Illinois does this, technically. You need to present a FOID card when purchasing ammo, and that requires a background check, $10 fee, and a lot of paperwork.”
I wouldn’t call it a “lot”. It’s a one page web form. Before that it was a one page paper form, $10, and a passport photo. It’s the CCL process here that’s way too expensive. It’s almost like Dems hate the poor and minorities.
Oh wait, they do.
By the way there’s an interesting lawsuit winding through the Illinois courts to get the entire FOID scheme tossed as unconstitutional. The trial court found it to be and the State appealed the decision. That’s one to watch.
Illinois has lost every single major lawsuit against the stupid gun laws here. I’m relatively confident they’ll lose this one, too.
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“I generally shoot their Golden Bullets. Reliable. and the most accurate bulk .22 I’ve found.”
My 10-22s love that stuff. I laid in over 10,000 rounds of it before people started hoarding it. Whenever I saw a bulk box of the 36 grain I’d toss two or three in the shopping cart. That was before Obama took office. It was around $15 a bulk pack or so IIRC.
I’ve got those Rugers topped with Nikon Rimfire BDC glass and can cover a 75 yard three shot group with a silver dollar. Not bad for a $300 rifle with zero custom work.
Every house in America should have a 10-22.
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That’s the stuff I found the most accurate in my testing in a 10-22 and a Marlin 60. 5 shot groups at 100 yards was the test. Stingers and Minimags did well, too, but for bulk, GB s walked away with it. Told my friends with .22s to start accumulating 10K rounds when it was selling for $7.87 per 525 rounds on sale at Bi- Mart. The only one that paid attention was another vet. Felt I had enough that I parted with quite a few bricks at $45 each, so my remaining stash was essentially free.
Still kicking myself for not buying a Mannlicher stocked 10-22 at WalMart, years ago. Not my cup of tea, aestitically, but for $149, I think I’d have warmed up to it.
“I was told to use nothing but CCI’s in my .22 pistols and rifles since the regular ones don’t have enough power to really throw the bolt back...” [SkyDancer, post 38]
“...CCI Quiet .22LR won’t cycle the action on my Ruger MK III. Every brand of standard .22LR will cycle it just fine.” [gundog, post 44]
“Aguila is best 22 cal ammo you can get anywhere, bar none...” [Beagle8U, post 59]
“...’most serious shooters’ don’t claim ‘Brand A is the most accurate ammo on the planet!’...” [Who is John Galt?, post 75]
There is no “one best” make, nor load, of ammunition. All firearms are different: more true of rimfires, and rimfire ammunition. Two identical guns, one serial number digit apart and right next to each other on the assembly line, can exhibit radically different performance in accuracy, reliability, and cleanliness - firing ammunition from the same box.
True in part because 22 rimfire rifles and rimfire ammunition don’t enjoy the profit margin of centerfire, so quality control is unavoidably less exacting. Premium match ammunition from makers like Eley and Norma typically exhibit better precision in target guns or other higher-end arms, but there is still detectable variation. Inexpensive ammunition fired from an old budget-priced rifle sometimes delivers smaller groups than the highest-priced match ammunition fired from a premium-grade target rifle.
Not all 22 rimfire ammunition is loaded equally.
From the introduction of smokeless powder until the 1930s, the common 22 rimfire rounds (Short, Long, Long Rifle) were loaded pretty much to a single velocity for each. Then ammunition manufacturers introduced what they call “high velocity” loadings, about 100 to 150 ft/sec faster in muzzle velocity. Previous loadings were still made, but got renamed “standard velocity.”
The “hi speed stuff” is now the most common type available - not nearly as speedy as the hypervelocity rounds, frequently not even labeled as “high velocity.” Most semi-auto arms are built to function with it: often bolts of different mass and springs of different strength are required, compared to standard velocity.
Semi-auto pistols are by far the most problematic - their barrels are so short that the chamber pressure can drop before the bolt has received enough of an impulse to push it all the way to the rear.
Loads recently introduced have been developed for use on varmints. They are intended to be fired from manually operated rifles, sometimes sound-suppressed. Not that they always need suppression: the CCI Quiet-22 Segmented Hollow Point 22LR I purchased last year was labeled as developing 710 ft/sec. I fired some from my 1953-vintage Winchester 52C target rifle; the report was no louder than a neighbor’s 177 cal air gun.
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