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The Navy’s Golden Chance to Return to Subic Bay
U.S. Naval Institute ^ | June 2019 | By Captain Brian Buzzell, U.S. Navy (Retired)

Posted on 06/08/2019 11:11:46 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

In recent years, the United States has struggled to persuade the Philippine government and the country’s citizens it is serious about honoring its commitments under the 1951 U.S.-Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT). China has been feeding this growing mistrust, hoping to drive a wedge between the two long-standing allies to the point one or both will move to terminate the treaty.

Twenty-seven years ago, the stars and stripes were hauled down for the final time at Naval Base Subic Bay, Republic of the Philippines, fulfilling the U.S. obligations to withdraw all military forces and vacate all bases after the Philippine Senate rejected a new military-bases agreement in September 1991. This ended 94 years of U.S.-military basing arrangements in the Philippines. At the time there was no peer competitor in the western Pacific, and then-Pacific Commander Admiral Charles Larson announced a new Pacific and Indian Ocean regional strategy of “places not bases,” which remains the strategy today. In 1998, a new visiting forces agreement was finally signed, allowing U.S. military personnel and ship visits to the Philippines. In 2014, the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) was signed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: navy; philippines; subicbay; thephilippines; usn; usnavy
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To: US Navy Vet
At the time there was no peer competitor in the western Pacific

== GOP Free Traitor™ polices hadn't weakened the US industrial base and built up China yet.

41 posted on 06/09/2019 3:54:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Magnum44

I’ve noticed that Free Traitors™ are also anti Navy. They seem to go hand in hand.


42 posted on 06/09/2019 3:54:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PIF

Throughout recorded history during periods of relative peace, armed forces tend to be led by the politically adroit and well connected officers who are in tune with their political masters rather than virile, aggressive warriors. If you look at the Joint Chiefs of Staff, it functions as little more than any other Federal bureaucracy and can hardly be called a nest of warriors. Nice uniforms and pageantry but really a politically correct place at its core. If the US were faced with an existential war against Russia or China, our military leadership may be lacking.


43 posted on 06/09/2019 4:53:58 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: allendale

If the US were faced with an existential war against Russia or China, our military leadership may be lacking.


Lacking to put in quaintly ... after the first ship with thousands of sailors is lost, the pentagon “leadership” will be looking at the very bad press and finding some PC way to surrender ... that since there is no way the US public would put up with WWII, Korea, or Nam levels of dead.

Today, if the D-day invasion were to occur with 4000 dead in the opening hours, surrender would be demanded on every news outlet, public demonstration and so forth.


44 posted on 06/09/2019 5:10:46 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: US Navy Vet

Rotated back to Okinawa from Cubi Point 3 days before Mt Pinatubo erupted.


45 posted on 06/09/2019 5:12:47 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T)
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To: Shark24
"interesting clubs there..."

"My Place" unique bar went in just to have a coke, bar girl said "mama san say you good sailor, you buy ice cream for the girls" Told her I'm not that type of sailor! Quizzical expression on her face, reveled abject confusion, which brought Mama san to explain.... I bought ice cream twice a month for the girls for the next 8 months. 4 peso's, and no bar fine.

46 posted on 06/09/2019 5:23:05 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T)
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To: Shark24

For your enjoyment, the New Cubi O Club was dismantled piece by piece, squadron plaque by squadron plaque and moved to the Naval Air Museum at Pensacola. You can visit the museum and lunch in the moved cobi O Club.

The museum is perhaps the best aviation museum in the country. Lunch in the Cubi O club is the cake icing

Prior to the construction of the “new” oclub, the old club was the best eating place at Subic Bay


47 posted on 06/09/2019 5:23:36 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: allendale

On Pearl Harbor Day LTC Eisenhower was handling hay delivery for cavalry horses in Louisiana.

When real war comes, the first thing that has to happen is the dismissal of all the generals and admirals who are good at dress-up for dances and parades.


48 posted on 06/09/2019 5:26:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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To: sasportas

For the record, Clark Air Base was destroyed by the volcanic chatrostophe called Mount Pinatubo. Ressurecting Clark was deemed not worth the effort and expense.

The destruction of Clark no doubt had some part in the decision to vacate subic. Subic existed in part to provide support for Clark. All the fuel for planes at Clark was landed and stored at the Subic POL depot. Ditto other logistic support.

Clark and Subic were in many ways interrelated in carrying out their respective missions


49 posted on 06/09/2019 5:35:14 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: Billthedrill

I take your remarks as tongue in cheek but there was in fact another side to Olongapo.

I was honored to be asked to join the Olongopo Jaycees. As a young civilian engineer living with my wife at Subic, I could go off base and mingle with the real philippino population.

All of the Jaycees were pillars of the Olongaapo community. Several were in fact owners of the very clubs that attracted sailors. These young men created the business community that made Olongapo function. They also ran businesses that provided vital services needed by the Navy.
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It always struck me as important that a very American organization, the Jaycees, was important in that strange and very far off city


50 posted on 06/09/2019 5:49:59 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: bert; central_va

Ping to 47,49,50


51 posted on 06/09/2019 5:54:12 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: bert

No matter the faux window dressing you put out to the contrary you are a Free Traitor™ and and enemy of western civilization.


52 posted on 06/09/2019 6:05:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Ha....... the loser is still intent on clinging to his loser non values


53 posted on 06/09/2019 7:14:24 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: bert

Don’t take it personally. The entire US Senate is made up of scum of the earth traitors just like you.


54 posted on 06/09/2019 1:39:11 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I know, I know. The group includes Donald Trump, the President

We rule


55 posted on 06/09/2019 1:44:25 PM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: bert

Like you the Senate stabbed him in the back. Judas’s all.


56 posted on 06/09/2019 1:47:10 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: octex

Yes; it is a relic from a time when we enjoyed better relations with Cuba (like the Philippines, part of the spoils of war from the war with Spain). My point is that now it is an isolated pocket in a country with which we are not on good terms.


57 posted on 06/10/2019 2:40:32 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Captain Rhino

Agree on the beautiful view and great show bands.


58 posted on 06/10/2019 5:31:52 AM PDT by Shark24
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