Posted on 06/05/2019 11:00:21 AM PDT by RevelationDavid
Great update on current anti-ship missile’s… And how they basically make all naval platforms obsolete. Will it take a massacre of our forces before we “get it“…?
“Unlike Harpoon, LRASM fits in both the Mk. 41 vertical launch system silos of the Ticonderoga-class cruisers and Burke destroyers and the Mk. 57 silos on the new Zumwalt-class destroyers. This will allow individual ships to carry many more anti-ship missiles than ever before, although this will impact the number of other missiles, such as the SM-6 surface-to-air missile and ASROC anti-submarine rockets, in the ship’s overall inventory.
After decades of rapid innovation, the end of the Cold War and the subsequent Global War on Terror all but halted anti-ship missile development in the West. A focus on land operations in the Middle East and Central Asia sent Western navies struggling for relevance.
More at link:
A few EMPs and the war is over,
but dying will have just begun.
This is always the case in every war. Nobody knows how the tactical balance stands until the shooting starts. It’s not just about weapons and counter-weapons either.
And “intelligence” doesn’t always predict very well. Somebody at some point can opine that he was right after all, but there are a whole lot of other bright fellows with diverse opinions that were wrong. You don’t usually hear about the guys who were wrong.
The other side may need a blue water navy for us to shoot at first.
“Sure-all the enemy has to do is to keep cultivating the ‘civilian ‘norms’ of combat roles for women in the US NAVY so they can have ‘cat fights’ between the OOD and CIC on an Aegis cruiser or frigate.”
I thought I remembered that being the situation on one of the two US Navy destroyers that collided with cargo ships.. either the USS Fitzgerald or the USS McCain. And you’re exactly right to mock the idiots who created the atmosphere that allowed this.
CodeToad wrote:
I remember a war games episode in the mid 1980’s. I mentioned a retaliatory nuclear strike by a carrier group. The answer asked how could they do that from the bottom of the ocean. No one in the nuclear forces believed the carriers would survive the first few hours of any first-world war.
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First few ‘hours’...?
None of our carrier groups would last over an hour.
None.
“Prince of Wales and Repulse were the first capital ships to be sunk solely by naval air power on the open sea (albeit by land-based rather than carrier-based aircraft), a harbinger of the diminishing role this class of ships was to play in naval warfare thereafter.
“It is often pointed out, however, that contributing factors to the sinking of Prince of Wales were her surface-scanning radars being inoperable, depriving Force Z of one of its most potent early-warning devices and the critical early damage she sustained from the first torpedo. Another factor which led to Prince of Wales’s demise was the loss of dynamos, depriving Prince of Wales of many of her electric pumps. Further electrical failures left parts of the ship in total darkness, and added to the difficulties of her damage repair parties as they attempted to counter the flooding.
“The sinking was the subject of an inquiry chaired by Mr. Justice Bucknill, but the true causes of the ship’s loss were only established when divers examined the wreck after the war. The Director of Naval Construction’s report on the sinking claimed that the ship’s anti-aircraft guns could have “inflicted heavy casualties before torpedoes were dropped, if not preventing the successful conclusion of attack had crews been more adequately trained in their operation.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_of_Wales_(53)#Aftermath
We have the nuclear triad as well as tactical nukes. And there is a broad choice of options conventionally.
Not a fact at all. What is the delivery method of those missiles?
A clusterf*ck of the navy in genreral and the Øbowel social experimentation in particular.
Not that they would use it unless "mother, may I" was satified.
No tactical nukes at sea per Bush the elder's command.
Are the SIZZER and SUNBURN missiles history?
The converted Talos AAW "Vandal" was limited both in number and target mimic capability.
The navy has not tested against a credible modern target. The current "Coyote" supersonic target is expensive and they likely do not want to shoot one down very often. "Simulations" are the current joy.
Reminds ne if the pre-WWII torpedoes that did not work, the navy not wanting to find out as they cost so much. Heck, when I was still in EW stuff, they ran tests against the AMRAAM where it was never launched, just telemetry collected to "project" real world performance.
Back when, they tested against "crossing" subsonic targets after an incoming (hit but still flying) BQM-74 center punched a ship and caused casualties. Unless things have changed, there are no realistic incoming missile target drills. Someone might get hurt...............
Bush 41 is dead and buried.
Bush 41 is dead and buried.
Your point would be???
Well, I haven’t known those things, but the supersonic missiles flying in low was something I didn’t see as good.
I don’t serve in the armed forces, so I can’t say anything for sure.
My grandmother used to say, “An ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure.”
That makes sense to me here.
Thanks for the response.
The Russian packages are very diverse in their products.
They still use the Sizzler as a sub launch. Both the SS-N-27 Sizzler or 3M-54 Klub missile are designed to destroy submarine and surface vessels, but can do other things as well.
They use their Kh-55 as their template for most of their arsenal as they have created one for every need it seems over the years. They have even publicly come out with the Kh- 101/102 that has conventional or thermonuclear. This little cutey is equipped with an electro-optical system for correcting the flight trajectory and with a TV guidance system for terminal guidance It is scheduled to be in production and use by 2023.
rwood
It was the Fitzgerald, and the “pussy” fight, while the captain of the ship... slept, was between the OOD (female hard headed moron, white) and the CIC watch/command, who was a black/sepia... female who felt was being “dissed” (you cannot make this up— on a billion dollar Aegis class frigate/ship), and the details in the Naval Institute Proceedings (really am sorry I stopped getting this periodical once naval officer and Annapolis grad dads both passed— I should have kept them up).
The details are, frankly appalling. Busiest g-d harbor in the world and they are having a panties in a wad “dissed”fight.
Well, men have had those- and gotten sent to Leavenworth, for the death of 10 sailors from their negligent idiocy.
For that matter- the USS John McCain which the press seems to think is cool to use for a FAKE news story about Trump—itself had a collision in the Med, that killed 10... TEN sailors. So, the grandad and the father could not get rid of the JONAH jinx that was the addition of McCain the IIIrd to the “namesake” of an Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer (the same class that the Navy has decided to keep in commission, as of 2018, for a total of 45 years!! That is.. until 2039. To increase the ship total count of the US Navy... bingo, like that. BUUUUUUT, staffed with abject morons and PC “pussy” officers and JAG officer pablum material as leadership. John “Slew” McCain would have a STROKE,
but, apparently not the gun running lying a@@ grandson, formerly Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Mr. Flyboy, mr. navy brat, mr. pussy patrol his-self- now pushing dirt in the Annapolis Naval Academy cemetery— and NOT Arlington with his kin.
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