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MLK tapes: Secret FBI recordings-Martin Luther King of watching/laughing as rape happened-40 affairs
The Daily Mail ^ | 26 May 2019 | Jack Newman

Posted on 05/26/2019 6:26:43 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Secret FBI tapes that accuse Martin Luther King Jr of having extramarital affairs with '40 to 45 women' and even claim he 'looked on and laughed' as a pastor friend raped a parishioner, exist an author has claimed. The civil rights hero was also heard allegedly joking he was the founder of the 'International Association for the Advancement of P***y-Eaters'.

The shocking files could lead to a 'painful historical reckoning' for the man who is celebrated across the world for his campaign against racial injustice, according to one biographer. The FBI surveillance tapes detailing his indiscretions are being held in a vault at the U.S. National Archives and are not due for release until 2027. But David Garrow, a biographer of King who won a Pulitzer Prize for his 1987 book Bearing the Cross about the Baptist minister, has unearthed the FBI summaries of the various incidents.

In an article to be published in Standpoint, Garrow tells how the FBI planted transmitters in two lamps in hotel rooms booked by King in January 1964, according to The Sunday Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: otness_e

Guess what? If it looks, smells, walks, and quacks like a duck, it’s a Duck!

King’s director was Stanley David Levinson, a Communist Party USA member and KGB asset.

He was his attorney, fund-raiser, speech-writer, organizer, PR officer, treasurer and financier.

Levinson, known as the Assistant Chief, did ALL of the following for MLK:

1. He was his principal advisor and legal counsel

2. He conducted fund raisers for King and the SCLC

3. He researched, wrote and presented speech material for King

4. He scheduled and rejected public appearances for King

5. He was the Asst. Treasurer of the SCLC

6. He was financing the SCLC through the CPUSA

7. He hired other CPUSA members as organizers and secretaries for King

8. He directed what King was to say or and was not say in public

9. He both edited and wrote articles and sections of books that King presented as his own

Nearly all of King’s top advisors, speech writers, organizers, and personal assistants, were specifically recruited from within the ranks of the CPUSA, often by Levison himself.

Many of King’s loyal supporters were either Communist Party USA members or supporters at various times of their careers: Wyatt T. Walker, Ralph D. Abernathy who later defected from the Soviet KGB front, the World Peace Council, Stoney Cook (limited contacts), Rev. Willie Barrows and the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

Beyond the most involved KGB asset- Stanley Levison, there’s also Jack O’Dell, aka Jack Vesey, aka Hunter Pitts O’Dell

Analogies pertaining to George Lucas, Nixon, Jefferson, Pete Butt... are all moot here. Same for slippery-slope, straw-man logic and false dichotomies.

The topic IS Mike King, Jr. aka Martin Luther King, Jr.


341 posted on 05/27/2019 9:16:02 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: otness_e

Sorry, that should be Horace Greeley, not Horace Greenley, but still, my point stands. If Abraham Lincoln and Richard Nixon can be considered anti-Communist despite either working with a Communist dictator under bad advice during the 1970s or having a very radical, near-Marxist like Greeley, I’m doubtful MLK could qualify, especially not after he wrote “Can a Christian be a Communist” or his friendship with Nixon. At worst, he’s a useful idiot to Communists.


342 posted on 05/27/2019 9:19:26 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Yeah, and if he smelled, walked, and quacked like a duck, he would not have allied himself and spoke fondly of Richard Nixon, and if anything gone out of his way to condemn Nixon for jailing Alger Hiss, and he most certainly would not have wrote “Can a Christian be a Communist”, and if anything pull the same stuff Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel, Pope Francis, and that Red Priest guy during the Cold War. I know I wouldn’t have in his shoes if I were a full-fledged Communist, even a stealth one, and if anything, regarding the latter bit, I’d shoot anyone who DARED claim they were irreconcilable precisely because it destroys any propaganda objectives.

Besides, by that exact same logic of if it looks, smells, and quacks like a duck, Richard Nixon’s a communist as is Abraham Lincoln precisely because they’ve cozied up with Mao Zedong and even Karl Marx himself by giving correspondences as well as his association with Horace Greeley, who is a Marxist in all but name, even when Nixon was responsible for sending Alger Hiss to jail.


343 posted on 05/27/2019 9:24:26 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

Returning to the topic of this thread- MLK

MLK’s staff-
African American, Bayard Rustin is a former organizer for the Young Communist League. He spent 60 days in a California jail on a 1953 conviction for performing lewd homosexual acts in public. He also served 28 months in prison later. He was King’s secretary and advisor from 1956 to 1960. During this period Rustin attended the National Convention of the Communist Party in 1957 as an “honored observer.” King called him a “a brilliant, efficient, and dedicated organizer.” It was Rustin who introduced King to a Soviet spy named Stanley D. Levison.

Levison was a NY Lawyer and VP of the N.Y. Council of the American Jewish Congress. Levison’s job was to launder the $1million subsidy Soviet Russia gave to finance the U.S. Communist Party. Levison proved important financial, organizational and public relations services for King.

The money which the Soviet Union funneled to Levison came from Isidore G. Needleman. He was a KGB secret police agent who fronted as an officer of AMTORG, the trading company in New York City which buys U.S. goods for shipment to Russia. There are so many Jews in the Communist Party the FBI hired two Jewish brothers, Morris Childs and Jack Childs as spies planned inside the Communist Party. For 30 years, Morris Childs was formerly a member of the National Committee of the Communist party and once served as editor of the Daily Worker. Childs reported that after the death of William Weiner, who was treasurer of the Communist Party, it was Stanley Levison who took over this vital post.

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344 posted on 05/27/2019 9:33:24 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

The only thing that proves is that MLK is a dupe and a useful idiot. It does NOT prove he is a Communist, closeted or otherwise. Even Harry Truman and Eisenhower interacted with Communists, yet they’re not Communists, and the latter’s a conservative.

And I’m pretty sure a closeted communist/communist agent would NOT even DARE try to publish an essay explicitly condemning Communism for its adherence to atheism and even state outright that it and Christianity are irreconcilable. If anything, that’s a good way for a Communist agent to be killed by his party heads for destroying any propaganda value. You still haven’t addressed THAT essay, which conflicts with the idea that he is a communist.


345 posted on 05/27/2019 9:40:45 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: fieldmarshaldj

African Americans in the deep south prior to the late 60s were not democrats. It would be like joining the Klan.


346 posted on 05/27/2019 9:47:57 AM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Boiler Plate

Yeah, agreed. Probably the closest to a black democrat at the time was WEB Du Bois, and that guy is a Communist and closer to a member of the Socialist party than a Democrat. Now, WEB Du Bois, unlike MLK, actually IS confirmed to be a Soviet agent, openly rooting for the Soviets every single dang time.


347 posted on 05/27/2019 9:58:34 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

King archives reveal him with the couple - Carl and Ann Branden - Communist Party activists and ring-leaders in the SCEF out of Louisville, KY. Carl was convicted of criminal sedition in 1954, sentenced to 15 years in prison. These charming comrades purchased a home for blacks in a white neighborhood to incite racial violence and then blew it up garner sympathy and raise money. Not so peaceful, these friends of King.

King archives picture him seated at a Communist training school surrounded by his Communist comrades: Sept. 2, 1957 - King attending the Highlander Folk School which the Communist Party operated at Monteagle, Tennessee.

Here are his fellow comrades identified sitting beside him: Abner Berry, member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party and writer for the “Daily Worker,:. Aubrey Williams, Communist Party agent and president of the Southern Conference Educational Fund (SCEF) a red front organizing blacks in Southern states. No. 4, Miles Horton, head of the Highlander Folk School King was listed on the schools’ letterhead as a “sponsor.”

The Highlander school was financed by the Julius Rosenwald Fund. At one time Rosenwald headed Sears Roebuck Co. He spent $22 million financing civil rights groups. His daughter Edith Stern continued to give money to the SCEF and Highlander Folk School after her father’s death. Her husband, Alfred Stern of New Orleans, fled to Russia just before he was to be arrested on spying for the Soviet Union and subversive anti-American activities.

“quack-quack”


348 posted on 05/27/2019 10:00:34 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: otness_e

Also, the original topic is tapes regarding MLK being involved in a rape, not whether or not he was a communist (which I still doubt, as much as I think he’s got far too many flaws as it is). In any case, given that he served as the inspiration for Aleida Scott King’s pro-life views and he was extremely pro-life or at the very least strongly anti-abortion in life, I find it extremely unlikely he would have supported rape, or laughed about it. Actually, if anything, if he loved rapes, he would have supported abortions as a way of “cleaning up evidence”. Besides, that would paint the FBI in a bad light as well and goes at odds with history regarding Hoover’s views on King (knowing how anti-King Hoover was, do you REALLY think he’d just sit on a potential goldmine to discredit MLK? He played a massive role in the McCarthy hearings trying and convicting Communists. I seriously doubt he’d just sit on something that would expose someone he didn’t like as a would-be rapist.).


349 posted on 05/27/2019 10:03:11 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

You still haven’t addressed this essay he wrote which outright denounced communism and any chance of it infiltrating Christianity among his parish, which is tactical and strategic suicide for communist agitators: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/can-a-christian-be-a-communist/ Until you actually address that essay, and explain how the author can be a communist and still write it, and in a satisfactory and convincing manner, do not repeat those statements.

For that matter, you still haven’t addressed Martin Luther King’s personal friendship with anti-Communist warrior Richard Nixon, which is also another conflicting evidence against his being a communist. Or even his support of second amendment rights of being pro-life (Communists support widescale abortions, and they certainly don’t support a citizen’s right to bear arms).


350 posted on 05/27/2019 10:07:13 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

Well my dear, the rape and sordid sexual encounters are truly disgusting and plastered all over the web and are very distasteful and so enlightening as to King’s true character.

If King was not a ‘real’ Comrade, he is completely devoid of character as he knowingly and willingly accepted their education, strategical support, staffing support, financial support, and complete direction on how to conduct his Civil Rights cause. The only thing that CPUSA seemed not to be supporting or dictating was King’s nightly Orgies! (so far no Russian babes)

Anyway, King’s roots and organization are probably more significant to Conservatives.

The Communist Party USA Promoted King:

Black Communists were ordered to do all within their power to support King’s activities.

Julia Brown, was a Communist in Cleveland for nine years. “We were told to promote King, to unite Negroes and Whites behind him, and to turn him into a sort of national hero . We were to look to King as the leader in this struggle, the Communists said, because he was on our side. While in the party I learned that King attended a communist training school, that several of his aides were communists and that he received funds from Communists and took directions from them. He was one of their biggest heroes.”

Karl Prussian, an FBI counterspy inside the Communist Party swore before Congress: “At all of these (Communist Party) meetings Rev. Martin Luther King was always set forth as the individual to whom Communists should rally around. King has either been a member of, or willingly accepted support from over 60 Communist fronts. King accepted support from multiple communist fronts, individuals and organizations which espouse communist causes.”

The U. S. Congressional Record of March 30, 1965

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351 posted on 05/27/2019 10:20:22 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

We don’t know if the rape ever occurred. Sexual encounters, sure, we know about those unfortunately, but this is the first we’ve gotten about the rapes, as not even the FBI/CIA files for both MLK and JFK that were released a little while back covered the rape elements (and personally, based on how some posts indicated that there’s no audio posted, I have suspicions as to it being false. Don’t you think if they had the audio, they’d make sure to post it?). Besides, I’m pretty sure being against abortion is a surefire sign of moral character (since it essentially means he is against killing babies in the womb), and I’m pretty sure he would not condemn Communism for its atheist ideology in that paper and indicate that it and Christianity are irreconcilable if he truly was a communist. They don’t generally do that. I know Manning Johnson, a Communist agent who was single-handedly responsible for subverting clergy to Communism, most certainly didn’t, and neither did Vladimir Putin. And until you actually address that essay I linked a little while back that he wrote, and how he can be a communist and still make that statement, or heck, even be friends with Richard Nixon, whom the far-left utterly despised for busting Alger Hiss, you still aren’t making any convincing statements. Besides, by your logic, Horace Greeley’s open support of Karl Marx, his ties to the Republican party, and even Abraham Lincoln interacting with Marx via letters condemns Lincoln and the Republican Party as Marxists.


352 posted on 05/27/2019 10:40:41 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

Are you Catholic?


353 posted on 05/27/2019 10:45:18 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Yep, and a pretty serious one as well. I don’t take the charge that someone who infiltrated the church, whether it be Catholic or Protestant, to promote Marxism lightly, so when I see someone indicate MLK is a Communist plant, I get irritated especially when I’ve seen evidence to point against him being an adherent to Communism (I can give a lot more evidence pinning WEB Du Bois or even Thomas Jefferson as apostates and Communists than I can MLK, evidence that’s actually consistent with how communist sympathizers generally operate).


354 posted on 05/27/2019 10:50:28 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

And what did King say about Christianity?

At Crozer Theological Seminary he wrote: “An Autobiography of Religious Development,”

King details a religious experience, where he didn’t actually find Jesus since he emerged to deny the Bodily Resurrection, Virgin Birth, and Deity of Jesus Christ. Most believe that King was committed to the “Christian religion,” but he denies the tenets of the faith, particularly the N.T..

King asserted that the early Christians created a mythological story to account for the moral uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth. He gave credit to the Virgin Birth as a deity developed due to Greek philosophical influence of Jesus being the highest, brightest and the best.

He basically scorned Christian Theological Fundamentalism. And since many of his writings are stolen from other’s texts, it is hard to decipher retroactively what this man really believed.

Besides, his conduct was morally bankrupt and in direct conflict with the Scripture and teachings he so earnestly professed to believe.

Others have critiqued his paper (assuming it’s his actual ideas), “The Sources of Fundamentalism and Liberalism Considered Historically and Psychologically,” and stated that King was beginning to identify himself with classical theological liberalism and rejecting the doctrines of fundamentalism.

And the man did praise theological liberalism as he also had no belief in Scriptural inerrancy or the Doctrine of the Fall and that’s in addition to the denial of divine Sonship, the virgin birth, and the resurrection. There is really not much left at this point.

It’s beginning to look like King recognized his talents as a speaker and recognized the pulpit would be his launch-pad by which he could gain a following and begin a career in social justice protest or civil rights.


355 posted on 05/27/2019 10:51:28 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: otness_e

So what do you think about Rome getting US taxpayers to fund Catholic charities to flood this nation with illegals?


356 posted on 05/27/2019 10:53:26 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
Just as an FYI, Thomas Jefferson said much of the same things regarding Christ and God, and if anything was even WORSE in that regard.

Let me point out some examples, like his crafting the Jefferson Bible that all but gutted any and all divinity of Christ and made him little different from Ghandi or the Dalai Lama, did far more to destroy the bible with that half-rate forgery than even Martin Luther did. You can find out more here:

*http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/06/27/jeffersons-jesus/

*http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/06/25/rewriting-jefferson/

*http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/04/11/fr-barron-eviscerates-dandy-andy/

And apparently, he even went as far as to dismiss the triune god as being comparable to cerberus. Don't believe me? Read this: https://catholicism.org/enlightenment-not-over.html Specifically:

"It is revelatory that Jefferson, in a letter to his fellow Founding Father Benjamin Rush, described Locke, Bacon, and the English mathematician Sir Isaac Newton as his personal “trinity of genius.” Today, there are Americans still so desperate to want to believe that our republic can somehow be Christian at the same time it is liberal, that they will point out how often Jefferson speaks of God. He did it perhaps most famously in words inscribed on his monument in Washington, D.C. : “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” The trouble, first of all, is that Jefferson ‘s “God” was not the Christian triune one. Jefferson showed what he thought of Him when he condemned orthodox Christians for their “hocus-pocus phantom of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads.” “We should all live,” Jefferson wrote on another occasion, “without an order of priests, moralize for ourselves, follow the oracle of conscience and say nothing about what no man can understand, and therefore believe; for I suppose belief to be the assent of the mind to an intelligible proposition.” That God is triune simply was not an “intelligible proposition” to Jefferson."

And personally, I'd call outright cheerleading for atheistic psychopaths to butcher Christians after witnessing their barbarism and playing a role in drafting the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, and even eviscerating a guy he considered the closest thing he had to a son just for daring to take John Adams's side in explaining what's going on in France to be far closer to actually BEING morally bankrupt than what MLK did, all of which is EXACTLY what Thomas Jefferson did. Don't believe me? Here's the source:

https://allthingsliberty.com/2017/05/understanding-thomas-jeffersons-reactions-rise-jacobins/

"With respect to their Government, we are under no call to express opinions, which might please or offend any party; and therefore it will be best to avoid them on all occasions, public or private. Could any circumstances require unavoidably such expressions, they would naturally be in conformity with the sentiments of the great mass of our countrymen, who having first, in modern times, taken the ground of Government founded on the will of the people, cannot but be delighted on seeing so distinguished and so esteemed a Nation arrive on the same ground, and plant their standard by our side.[5]

"It accords with our principles to acknolege [sic] any government to be rightful which is formed by the will of the nation substantially declared. The late government was of this kind, and was accordingly acknoleged by all the branches of ours. So any alteration of it which shall be made by the will of the nation substantially declared, will doubtless be acknoleged in like manner. With such a government every kind of business may be done.[15]

"If the mainspring of popular government in peacetime is virtue, amid revolution it is at the same time [both] virtue and terror: virtue, without which terror is fatal; terror, without which virtue is impotent. Terror is nothing but prompt, severe, inflexible justice; it is therefore an emanation of virtue … a consequence of the general principle of democracy … subdue liberty’s enemies by terror and you will be right, as founders of the Republic.[26]

"In the struggle which was necessary, many guilty persons fell without the forms of trial, and with them some innocent. These I deplore as much as any body, and shall deplore some of them to the day of my death. But I deplore them as I should have done had they fallen in battle … The liberty of the whole earth was depending on the issue of the contest, and was ever such a prize won with so little innocent blood? My own affections have been deeply wounded by some of the martyrs to this cause, but rather than it should have failed, I would have seen half the earth desolated. Were there but an Adam and an Eve left in every country, and left free, it would be better than as it now is. I have expressed to you my sentiments because they are really those of 99 in an hundred of our citizens.[27]"

[1] Thomas Jefferson, “To James Madison, March 15, 1789,” in Thomas Jefferson: Writings: Autobiography, Notes on the State of Virginia, Public and Private Papers, Addresses, Letters, ed. Merrill D. Peterson (New York: Library of America, 1984), 945.

[2] Thomas Jefferson, “To Le Comte Diodati, March 29, 1807,” in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson: Being His Autobiography, Correspondence, Reports, Messages, Addresses, and Other Writings, Official and Private, ed. H.A. Washington (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2011), 62.

[3] Melanie Randolph Miller, Envoy to Terror: Gouverneur Morris and the French Revolution (Washington D.C.: Potomac Books, 2005), 26.

[4] Thomas Jefferson, “To Maria Cosway, July 25, 1789,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 15, 27 March 1789 – 30 November 1789, ed. Julian P. Boyd (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1958), 305–306.

*[5] Thomas Jefferson, “To Gouverneur Morris, January 23, 1792,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 23, 1 January–31 May 1792, ed. Charles T. Cullen (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1990), 56.*

[6] Gouverneur Morris, “To Thomas Jefferson, April 6, 1792,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 23, 382.

[7] Thomas Jefferson, “To William Short, January 23, 1792,” in ibid., 58.

[8] For example, Morris actively worked with constitutional monarchists to undermine the National Convention even while Jefferson ordered him to support it. Similarly, he privately sent sensitive diplomatic information to his friend Alexander Hamilton and to President Washington in an attempt to circumvent Jefferson’s authority. At the same time, Jefferson actively agitated against Morris’s appointment and actively petitioned Washington against his influence on policy regarding the Revolution.

[9] Thomas Jefferson, “Memoranda of Consultations with the President, [11 March–9 April 1792],” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 23, 260.

[10] Before his appointment, Morris had advised Louis XVI on the Constitution of 1791. He does briefly mention his participation in the royalist plot while minister to Jefferson through a veiled reference in his July 10, 1972 letter describing the plot as the King’s “New Career.”

[11] Gouverneur Morris, “To Alexander Hamilton, March 21, 1792,” in The Papers of Alexander Hamilton, vol. 11, February 1792 – June 1792, ed. Harold C. Syrett (New York: Columbia University Press, 1966), 162–163. Gouverneur Morris, “To George Washington, April 6, 1792,” in The Papers of George Washington, Presidential Series, vol. 10, 1 March 1792 – 15 August 1792, ed. Robert F. Haggard and Mark A. Mastromarino (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2002), 224.

[12] Gouverneur Morris, “To Thomas Jefferson, June 10, 1792,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 24, 1 June–31 December 1792, ed. John Catanzariti (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1990), 52, 55.

[13] Gouverneur Morris, “To Thomas Jefferson, June 17, 1792,” in ibid., 93-94.

[14] Gouverneur Morris, “To Thomas Jefferson, August 16, 1792,” in ibid., 301. Gouverneur Morris, “To Thomas Jefferson, September 10th, 1792,” in ibid., 364. Gouverneur Morris, “To Thomas Jefferson, August 30, 1792,” in ibid., 332.

*[15] Thomas Jefferson, “To Gouverneur Morris, November 7, 1792,” in ibid., 593.*

[16] Thomas Jefferson, “To Gouverneur Morris, December 30, 1792,” in Thomas Jefferson: Writings, 1002. Importantly, there are reasons to believe Jefferson never actually sent the December 30 letter to Morris. No record of the letter exists in State Department files, while Jefferson sent a very similar letter to Thomas Pinckney, the Minister to Great Britain, on December 30 that is recorded. Similarly, Jefferson used nearly the exact same language in a March 13, 1793 letter to Morris.

[17] In fact, their last correspondence was a letter from Thomas Jefferson to Morris on October 3, 1793, with no further letters exchanged before Jefferson resigned his post in late December.

[18] Gouverneur Morris, “To George Washington, February 14, 1793,” in The Papers of George Washington, Presidential Series, vol. 12, 16 January 1793 – 31 May 1793, ed. Christine Sternberg Patrick and John C. Pinheiro (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2005) 142–143.

[19] Gouverneur Morris, “To George Washington, June 25, 1793,” in The Papers of George Washington, Presidential Series, vol. 13, 1 June 1793 – 31 August 1793, ed. Christine Sternberg Patrick and John C. Pinheiro (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2005) 146.

[20] There is reason to believe that Morris was already arriving at this conclusion independently following the upheaval of August 10, even before he received Jefferson’s November response. Consider his August 22, 1792 letter to Jefferson. He remained largely negative in tone lamenting Lafayette’s failure to contain the radical Jacobins and his subsequent fall from grace and exile: “He, as you will learn, encamped at Sedan and official Accounts of last Night inform us that he has taken Refuge with the Enemy. Thus his circle is compleated. He has spent his Fortune on a Revolution, and is now crush’d by the wheel which he put in Motion. He lasted longer than I expected.” Yet, he now seemed resigned to remaining in Paris, rather than fleeing himself, and accepting the new National Convention as the legitimate government of France, surely anticipating that these would be Jefferson’s instructions: “Going hence however would look like taking Part against the late Revolution and I am not only unauthoriz’d in this Respect but I am bound to suppose that if the great Majority of the Nation adhere to the new Form the United States will approve thereof because in the first Place we have no Right to prescribe to this Country the Government they shall adopt and next because the Basis of our own Constitution is the indefeasible Right of the People to establish it.” Gouverneur Morris, “To Thomas Jefferson, August 22, 1792,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 24, 313–314.

[21] Thomas Jefferson, “To William S. Smith, November 13, 1787,” in Thomas Jefferson: Writings, 911.

[22] Thomas Jefferson, “To James Madison, June 29, 1792,” in The Papers of James Madison, vol. 14, 6 April 1791 – 16 March 1793, ed. Robert A. Rutland and Thomas A. Mason (Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1983), 334.

[23] To further support this interpretation of Jefferson’s unwavering faith in the Revolution consider that he had embraced the Jacobins, even if he misunderstood who they actually were, just weeks after he praised their archrival Lafayette, and his long time personal friend, for “establishing the liberties of your country against a foreign enemy. May heaven favor your cause, and make you the channel thro’ which it may pour it’s favors. While you are exterminating the monster aristocracy, and pulling out the teeth and fangs of it’s associate monarchy.” Yet even after hearing of Lafayette’s exile from Morris and Jacobin despotism from both Short and Morris, his support for the Revolution only increased. Thomas Jefferson, “To Lafayette, June, 16, 1792,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 24, 85.

[24] Thomas Jefferson, “To John Hollins, February, 19, 1809,” in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, 428.

[25] William Short, “To Thomas Jefferson, August 24, 1792,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 24, 322, 325. The “tribunal” Short mentions is a reference to the Revolutionary Tribunal set up by the National Convention in August 1792 at the encouragement of the Robespierre and the Paris Commune. Exactly as Short predicted, the Tribunal quickly became the main organ through which the Jacobins enacted the Reign of Terror, holding what were effectively show trials to justify the purging of royalists and moderates. At the height of the Terror, the Tribunal was entirely dominated by Robespierre and the Committee of Public Safety, which used it to eliminate conservative (Girondins) and moderate (e.g. Danton) Jacobins and those considered too radical (e.g. Hébertists). Short’s invoking of the chambre ardente is likely a sarcastic reference to the religious courts of the Ancien Régime, where heretics, particularly Huguenots, were subjected to cruel punishments. The implication being that even the absolutist Bourbon regime the republicans deposed would be embarrassed by the new government’s despotic tendencies.

*[26] Maximilien Robespierre, “Report on the Principles of Political Morality,” in University of Chicago Readings in Western Civilization,Volume 7: The Old Regime and the French Revolution, ed. Keith M. Baker (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987), 374-375.*

*[27] Thomas Jefferson, “To William Short, January 3, 1793,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 25, 1 January–10 May 1793, ed. John Catanzariti (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1992), 14.*

[28] Annette Gordon-Reed and Peter Onuf, Most Blessed of the Patriarchs: Thomas Jefferson and the Empire of the Imagination (New York: Liveright, 2016), 193-194.

[29] Ibid, 15.

[30] An earlier articulation of this idea is evident in the aforementioned June 16, 1792 letter to Lafayette, where Jefferson celebrates French success while lamenting that in America there are “Eastward … champions for a king, lords, and commons,” and that “Too many of these stock jobbers and king-jobbers have come into our legislature, or rather too many of our legislature have become stock jobbers and king-jobbers.”

[31] For further support of this interpretation of his opinion of both Short and Morris see Jefferson’s March 23, 1793 letter to William Short where he wrote: “Be cautious in your letters to the Secretary of the treasury. He sacrifices you. On a late occasion when called on to explain before the Senate his proceedings relative to the loans in Europe, instead of extracting such passages of your letters as might relate to them, he gave in the originals in which I am told were strong expressions against the French republicans: and even gave in a correspondence between G. Morris and yourself which scarcely related to the loans at all, merely that a long letter of Morris’s might appear in which he argues as a democrat himself against you as an aristocrat.” Thomas Jefferson, “To William Short, March 23, 1793,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 25, 436.

[32] Thomas Jefferson, “To John Trumbull, June 1, 1789,” in The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 15, 27 March 1789 – 30 November 1789, ed. Julian P. Boyd (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1958), 164.

[33] Marie G. Kimball and Alexandre de Liancourt, “William Short, Jefferson’s Only ‘Son,’” North American Review 223, no. 832 (1926): 481.


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In fact, you want someone who actually DOES support wholeheartedly the Communist Party and sings praises for it whenever he can, all without explicitly tying himself to it? Try WEB Du Bois. And that guy is closer to a proto-Obama than MLK can ever be, whatever his flaws are. And quite frankly, the fact that he's anti-abortion makes clear he actually DOES have some morality.

And you are aware that Richard Nixon is pretty much the reason MLK even got any traction in Civil Rights, right? What does that make him?
357 posted on 05/27/2019 11:13:50 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: Just mythoughts

I’m not fond of Pope Francis for doing that, and I didn’t make it any secret how much I hold him in contempt. I even explicitly indicated that he was a stealth Communist who is doing everything in his power to outright sabotage the church. So, yeah, I’m NOT fond of Francis forcing us taxpayers to allow for unrestrained illegal immigration.


358 posted on 05/27/2019 11:15:25 AM PDT by otness_e
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Suspect all you want, it’s really kind of a minor or isolated issue given the rest of King’s ugly past. Do you really think that every woman that attended all of his orgies expected or wanted to perform whatevers as directed? The paid prostitutes would not care. I would venture that some of the church ladies or speech attendees were coerced as is documented in another transcript published in 2013....

Just as men should not be masquerading as Catholic Priests, they shouldn’t be masquerading as a Baptist Preacher.

The Baptist faith has certain distinguishing characteristics and you don’t just become a preacher. Doctrinally, King would be defined as a false prophet since he professed few if any tents of the Baptist faith and denied the fundamentals of the faith. As he wrote about his complete confusion about God, it seems like he was not accepting or believing his chosen field of study, but saw it as an opportunity for his agenda. So he used the church and it’s faithful flock. And he used their women (Shades of Joseph Smith.)

What kind of a “Christian” attends a seminary school only to steal other people’s works to fraudulently acquire a theological degree? What kind of person does this? ... a fraudster...a thief....a con-man

Did he ever truly really believe in God, or was the reality that he had a hidden agenda. Why was he unable to come up with his own original, genuine work and present that to earn a theological degree rather than through fraud and deception?

The first public sermon that King ever gave, in 1947 at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, was plagiarized almost in its entirety from a homily by Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick. It was entitled, “Life is What You Make It.” And this one personally bugs me, because it was his chance to start a new life in the house of God and speak pleasingly to God’s ears.

MLK’s book “Stride Toward Freedom”, has been determined to have been plagiarized from multiple different separate sources. (Levinson included)

King plagiarized all of his papers at Boston University and Crozer Theological Seminary, and most extensively, his essay “The Place and Reason and Experience in Finding, his thesis “Contemporary Continental Theology”, his doctoral dissertation “A Comparison of the Conceptions of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Harry Nelson Wieman”, and various other documented works.

“King’s plagiarisms are easy to detect because their style rises above the level of his pedestrian student prose. In general, if the sentences are eloquent, witty, insightful, or pithy, or contain allusions, analogies, metaphors, or similes, it is safe to assume that the section has been purloined.” In one case, 20 out of a total of 24 paragraphs show “verbatim theft.”-— Wow, that’s 80%!!

https://www.amren.com/news/2018/01/martin-luther-king-jr-plagiarism/

So now we have a veteran and habitual plagiarist who is a deviant serial fornicator posing as a Baptist Preacher, and bought and paid for by CPUSA. And we have a holiday honoring his name, and statues and more streets than Washington, Lincoln, Adams, and Jefferson combined.


359 posted on 05/27/2019 12:07:41 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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Your post is completely off topic and does not belong on this thread. Defending MLK by shredding TJ is absurd and pathetic.

Stop filling the thread with lengthy TJ stuff. Jefferson was not parading as a Baptist Preacher.

Nor was he screwing half the female congregation til the following Monday morning.


360 posted on 05/27/2019 12:18:58 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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