Posted on 05/22/2019 10:20:46 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
In order to do anything they can to stop President Trump from winning in 2020, Democrats in the Nevada Senate approved a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, which will get rid of the Electoral College.
From the Washington Times:
Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senate on a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote.
If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.
While the effort has been billed by organizers as bipartisan, Democrats have embraced the NPV in the aftermath of President Trump’s 2016 victory, which saw the Republican win the electoral vote but not the popular vote.
Leftist groups like Common Cause, Indivisible and Public Citizen cheered the Nevada vote.
“The movement to abolish the electoral college is winning,” tweeted Public Citizen.
The NPV would not eliminate the Electoral College, but would render it irrelevant by requiring electors to vote for the national vote-winner instead of the candidate capturing the most votes in their states.
Supporters argue that it would shift the focus of presidential elections away from a handful of swing states, while critics say it would concentrate power in states like California and New York with the largest population centers.
Colorado, Delaware and New Mexico joined the compact in the 2019 legislative session, and other Democrat-controlled states are poised to follow.
Last week, the Maine Senate approved an NPV bill, sending it to the House. The Oregon bill has been approved by the Senate, and a House committee held a hearing Monday on the measure.
Here’s a great take on why this would be so damaging and not work like Democrats think it will. Special interests will take over this country.
From Real Clear Politics:
Unfortunately, like most of the ideas to improve our election system, this one will not accomplish what its sponsors intend, will result in the election of presidents who only get a fraction of the popular vote, and will likely enrage the voters of the very states that have already voted to join the system. The sponsors of this plan have not thought it through.
The first thing to understand about the American voting system is that it is the Electoral College that assures the continued existence of the two-party system. Because the winner of the presidency must get a majority of the electoral votes, the candidates of splinter or special interest parties have no chance to win—and for that reason they cannot get sufficient financing and other support to mount a serious campaign.
We have certainly had third and fourth parties in presidential elections, but their most effective role has been to bring ideas into the debate that might never otherwise receive attention, and they generally don’t survive to the next election. Nevertheless, when they have been in the field, they have deprived the candidates of the major parties of a national popular majority even though they have not interfered with the choice of the president through the Electoral College. Modern examples are the two Clinton elections in 1992 and 1996, and George W. Bush’s election in 2000.
The NPV plan would vastly improve the chances of a splinter or special interest candidate to win the presidency. In a wide enough field, a special interest candidate could easily win with less than a quarter of the national popular vote, and for this reason there will inevitably be a large number of splinter or special interest candidates running for president if the plan goes into effect.
RE: Trump will get Nevada, ME and CO’s EC votes regardless of how the citizens of those states actually vote in 2020... AWESOME.
These 3 states would not have made any difference in 2016. But, these 3 states went for Hillary in 2016. Which means, had what they just voted on been in effect in 2016, they would have effectively ceded their votes to California and New York even if Trump had won in say, Nevada.
Democrats can’t win without making “special” extra constitutional laws.
So basically they are saying individual and majority votes in their states no longer matter. Got it.
RE: So, in 2020, the popular vote goes to Trump we’ll say. Now the Electoral votes of all those blue states that passed this go to Trump.
I am not confident that the popular vote will go to Trump in 2020. The elections still go through these 4 states — Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania ( and with Biden running, I’m not sure PA is a lock for Trump ).
IOWs, you could theoretically have like three or more candidates, and the winner might have the most votes of the three, but not the majority of all votes cast.
This is voter suppression on a massive scale.
They know it will discourage many conservatives from voting if Trump is not on the ballot.
It will help them controll congress and local governments.
Democrat politicians? Try’em, hang’em, be done with it, they’re all scumbags breaking their oaths.
Consider that during the Reagan Mondale election Reagan swept all the states except Minnesota. Under this plan Minnesota’s electoral votes would have been cast for Reagan. While this end run around the electoral college is unconstitutional, if implemented it could backfire on Democrats.
Don’t mean squat. The republic stands.
So when a Republican wins the national popular vote, CA, NY, and Il’s EC voted HAVE to go to the Republican Dem heads will explode and accuse the Republicans of cheating and disenfranchising the citizens of those states.
If the Dems nominate someone sufficiently whacko Trump stands a high likelihood of winning the popular vote.
Exploding Heads Ahead!!
It is likely the Conservatives would grumble and take it but Liberals would riot and generally act the fool.
Heads, Conservatives lose - Tails, fools win.
Ray v Blair 1952 seems to be the only time that SCOTUS ruled on a similar issue. This involved whether a political party could compel its electors to vote for the party's chosen candidate during a primary election, or whether they can vote as free agents. The decision allows parties to restrict how their electors vote.
The current laws that states are passing are quite different since these concern general elections and not party primaries. I suspect that Justice Jackson's dissent in Ray v Blair will carry more weight when these "end-around the Constitution" laws get challenged.
SCOTUS better rule on this quickly so that we don't have a debacle in 2020 when the Left tries to steal the election with this scam.
“Lovely, Trump will get Nevada, ME and CO’s EC votes regardless of how the citizens of those states actually vote in 2020... AWESOME.”
I expect that the Democrat structure in those states signed on to this compact will renege on their pledge as soon as they realize Trump wins the popular vote in 2020. And if by some miracle Trump wins the traditional electoral college but not the popular vote then Trump will have standing to immediately appeal to the Supreme Court which will slap down this nonsense. It’s clearly unconstitutional.
In what Marvel multi-verse do you think this can happen?
Judging by the crowd turnouts for Biden in his recent PA swing, I’d say that Slow Joe is not threat to carry Pennsylvania should he get the nomination (and I don’t think he will).
IIRC, an interstate compact requires Cogressional approval.
“. Article I, Section 10 of the United States Constitution provides that “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State.” Consent can be obtained in one of three ways. First, there can be a model compact and Congress can grant automatic approval for any state wishing to join it, such as the Driver License Compact. Second, states can submit a compact to Congress prior to entering into the compact. Third, states can agree to a compact then submit it to Congress for approval, which, if it does so, causes it to come into effect. Not all compacts between states require explicit Congressional approval – the Supreme Court ruled in Virginia v. Tennessee that only those agreements which would increase the power of states at the expense of the federal government required it.”
I have mixed feelings. Here in California it may get conservatives who normally don’t vote (since it is a hopeless cause here in California) to the polls. Of course with illegal aliens voting and vote harvesting it is probably still a list cause.
The country should be split up anyway. Let the liberal states die on the vine
Trump stands absolutely no chance of winning the popular vote. The big population centers that will determine the election are all in the blue states (NY and CA, for example), and furthermore, the Dems have been stuffing their cities with illegals and making them “sanctuary cities,” where lack of immigration enforcement permits massive fraud, letting felons vote, and tinkering with the voting systems and ballots at a county level to ensure that all Dem voters have to do is check the box for Dem.
They don’t know and don’t care about individual positions, just that there’s a D after the name.
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