Posted on 05/11/2019 1:07:17 PM PDT by DoodleBob
When someone opens fire at a school, should students intervene?
It's a question being raised after two shootings in which students lost their lives after choosing to take action. Kendrick Castillo, 18, died in Tuesday's shooting at STEM School Highlands Ranch outside Denver. He was shot and killed when he tackled one of the shooters, giving other students a chance to flee.
Last week 21-year-old University of North Carolina Charlotte student Riley Howell met the same fate when he knocked a campus shooter off his feet.
"When we're talking about school shooters, almost always, if anybody's going to get shot, it's the intervener. That's why we put police officers in Kevlar vests," says Frank Zimring, a professor of law and criminal justice studies at the University of California Berkeley.
In the Colorado and North Carolina shootings, Zimring says each intervention likely saved lives.
One of the Colorado students who charged the Highlands Ranch shooter along with Castillo said at a press conference he had "no hesitation" about jumping into action to try to thwart the attack. Zimring, who studies gun violence and mass shootings, says teenage "machismo or heroic ambition" likely played a role in that decision. And while that bravery is admirable, Zimring says intervention is always the least-preferable option.
"From an authority or risk-management standpoint, it is only when contacts with authorities who are armed and trained, or escape or hiding, is not possible, when it really becomes a situation where intervention might be necessary," he tells Here & Now's Peter O'Dowd.
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Best to teach them just to be passive and give up? So NOT the American Way. The courageous ones will never buy it, but they will see their leaders as Beta Males.
Getting killed is a better option?????
The very fact that some in the media have veiled criticism for the student's brave self sacrificing actions tells us how far we have fallen as a country.
Quite right.
It is said the next war will never look the same as the most recent war. IMO, what is happening to our American culture is in essence the beginning of our Civil War II.
The obscenity is that it proceeds unrecognized as such and is being waged with the taxpayer's money.
Some men go to the sound of the shooting, some men run. May God bless those who go to the sound. They are the sheep dogs in a world full of wolves.
They should hide, like the Cowards of Broward, until either the shooter kills them or runs out of ammo killing their friends, DUH!!!
God-given natural right to life implies God-given duty to preserve and protect natural right to life. Use of force to preserve and protect natural rights is a perfect right.
Free the knife Rush the gun
From what I’ve read no jets were armed with missiles that day and the only way to bring the plane down would have been to ram it. Furthermore it’s unlikely any interceptor would have reached the hijacked plane in time.
Frank Zimring is a coward.
I grew up on a Marine Corps Air Station.
The pilots I knew would have rammed the airliner to save lives on the ground.
These are people from the same mold as a pilot who stayed with a striken aircraft to barely control it away from a school.
He could have punched out at altitude and let the plane fall where it may, but he was over a populated area and chose to fight it into an empty field.
I’m sure one would have if faced with the choice of that or nothing. I simply posted that the plane would not have been shot down. So my intent was to not diminish the sacrifice of the passengers of flight 93. No insult of the military pilots that day was intended.
This is between a rock and a hard place. School administrators don’t ever want to tell students they should sacrifice themselves. That’s asking for a lawsuit in today’s crazy society.
But a good self-sacrificing Scout (in the old, sane sense) will usually get publicly lauded yet, even if posthumously.
No offense taken. Just providing insight on the character of those who serve.
Most certainly yes. Every class I had for the last 15 years I would instruct them on how to deal with an active shooter that entered our class. I attacked first and then Boys Follow with our 10 lb textbooks or chairs whatever they can get ahold of as a weapon and everyone else joins in. Overwhelm the shooter. I would explain to them the foolishness of cowering in a corner and waiting to die.
Depends if they want to live or not.
No, the correct response is to huddle and quiver under your desk in a fetal position while waiting to be murdered. Shouldn’t every student behave that way?
What a steaming pantload article.
“...any conduct that even approaches virtuous”...or heroic, brave, selfless, determined, full of integrity, guts, sacrificial for your classmates...you name it. Name a single Virtue and the leftist kooks will be against it. They should all be docile and wait for the all-powerful holy government to show up and save them.
This creep makes me sick.
Before or after the Kum-by-ya sing-along?
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