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Boeing knew about problems with the 737 Max the year before Lion Air crash and did nothing about...
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| 9:17 PM ET, Sun May 5, 2019
| Patricia DiCarlo, Emanuella Grinberg and Ross Levitt
Posted on 05/05/2019 7:27:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Somebody’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.
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posted on
05/05/2019 7:28:46 PM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Endut! Hoch Hech!)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
This is going to end up being the most expensive “cost savings” in the history of Boeing.
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posted on
05/05/2019 7:29:28 PM PDT
by
CurlyDave
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Clean the sewers and ready the barges...Wall Street is about to take a DUMP!
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posted on
05/05/2019 7:37:19 PM PDT
by
lightman
(Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
To: CurlyDave
Penny smart. Pound foolish.
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posted on
05/05/2019 7:37:36 PM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Endut! Hoch Hech!)
To: lightman
I think Wall Street will be okay, Boeing, not so much.
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posted on
05/05/2019 7:52:16 PM PDT
by
wjcsux
(The hyperventilating of the left means we are winning! (Tagline courtesy of Laz.))
To: E. Pluribus Unum
A good friend of mine an ex Air Force Pilot and civilian pilot flew 737s 25 years for Southwest. He was not a 737 Max captain but flew the earlier models. He is an engineer. He explained it in very simple terms.
Computer 2
Pilots 0
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posted on
05/05/2019 8:05:48 PM PDT
by
cpdiii
( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
To: CurlyDave
Cut corners on how you implemented a safety device that is there anyway - it might save a few dollars at the risk of billions of dollars and hundreds of lives. Probably a bean counter’s decision and not an engineer’s decision.
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posted on
05/05/2019 8:08:44 PM PDT
by
Wilhelm Tell
(True or False? This is not a tag line.)
To: Wilhelm Tell
Probably a bean counters decision and not an engineers decision. Bean counter about to be fed into the coffee grinder.
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posted on
05/05/2019 8:13:09 PM PDT
by
lightman
(Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
To: wjcsux
Hm...they have a backlog of about 6-7 years of production. You think they are going out of business?
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posted on
05/05/2019 8:31:16 PM PDT
by
DennisR
(Look around - God gives numerous, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
To: lightman
It was not a simple beancounter issue. The issue was and is with certification or re-certification of a new airplane. Re-cert can be done reasonably quickly. Certification of a new airplane can take years. I know this having worked as a senior software engineer for Boeing & Airbus for decades. They wanted to get the plane out the door when competing with a new A320. They were consciously cutting corners. I sincerely hope they will throw the bastards in jail.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
The angle of attack (AOA) disagree alert only worked on an aircraft if the airline had purchased an additional, optional feature, known as the AOA indicator, Boeing said. The AOA indicator lets pilots know if one of the AOA sensors is not working, while the disagree alert shows if the sensors contradict each other.
My gosh, I cannot believe what I am reading. I guess I didn't purchase the unbelievable yarn filter for my laptop!
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posted on
05/05/2019 8:44:37 PM PDT
by
The_Media_never_lie
("The media is the enemy of the American people." Democrat Pat Caddell)
To: The_Media_never_lie
Your comment is BS! My neighbor is a SW captain. MCAS on the MAX uses an AOA sensor as its primary control element. The plane has TWO AOA sensors. The “added feature, now standard, is that both AOA’s are connected to MCAS and they now cross-check one another. If the system detects an error now, MCAS goes inop and the pilot has to actually fly the plane without it. A properly trained pilot, who actually knows how to fly the plane without all the neat add-on bells and whistles like MCAS also knows how to deal with “a runaway trim” situation ( as happens when MCAS has a problem with it’s AOA sensor) and turns off the entire system that drives the stabilizer trim and uses the manual trim wheel next to his leg to properly trim the aircraft using the basic flight instruments in front of him to establish level flight. The simple fact is that a lot of foreign pilots ( notably ones in Asia and the ME) are NOT properly trained, so when the electronic $hit takes a $hit, they don’t know what to do. Instead, the evidently just watch the crash develop from a front seat!
To: vette6387
My friend, also a retired SW 737 pilot, said the same thing about third world pilot proficiency.
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posted on
05/05/2019 9:25:00 PM PDT
by
bravo whiskey
(Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
To: Wilhelm Tell
Coupled with the airlines’ desire to dispense with pilot contracts...
...EXACTLY.
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posted on
05/05/2019 9:40:32 PM PDT
by
logi_cal869
(-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
To: vette6387
You are egregiously-wrong.
I don’t have time to post the proof; look for yourself.
Only ONE sensor was feeding MCAS. That’s from Boeing itself.
Insofar as your comments on “properly-trained pilot”...we are in complete agreement.
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posted on
05/05/2019 9:42:37 PM PDT
by
logi_cal869
(-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
When the AoA sensor fluctuates from 11 degrees to 75 degrees in less than 3/4 second, anybody up front should immediately KNOW that was a faulty sensor. You don't need a "Disagree Alert" alarm to tell you the left AoA sensor is faulty, probably from a bird strike.
To: vette6387
Your comment is BS! My neighbor is a SW captain. MCAS on the MAX uses an AOA sensor as its primary control element. The plane has TWO AOA sensors. The added feature, now standard, is that both AOAs are connected to MCAS and they now cross-check one another. If the system detects an error now, MCAS goes inop and the pilot has to actually fly the plane without it. A properly trained pilot, who actually knows how to fly the plane without all the neat add-on bells and whistles like MCAS also knows how to deal with a runaway trim situation ( as happens when MCAS has a problem with its AOA sensor) and turns off the entire system that drives the stabilizer trim and uses the manual trim wheel next to his leg to properly trim the aircraft using the basic flight instruments in front of him to establish level flight. The simple fact is that a lot of foreign pilots ( notably ones in Asia and the ME) are NOT properly trained, so when the electronic $hit takes a $hit, they dont know what to do. Instead, the evidently just watch the crash develop from a front seat!
I am obviously not a pilot. I was only commenting on the text from the article.
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posted on
05/05/2019 10:26:36 PM PDT
by
The_Media_never_lie
("The media is the enemy of the American people." Democrat Pat Caddell)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Mentour Pilot on You Tube has some good discussions on the MAX aircraft and MCAS.
MAX, as opposed to other Boeing designs, needs MCAS because of the size and position of its engines. It would be a lot easier with MAX to hit the throttle as an attempt to get out of a stall and pitch the aircraft into a worse stall, than with other Boeing craft.
But suppose MCAS fails. Now what.
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posted on
05/05/2019 10:37:05 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(May Jesus Christ be praised.)
To: ProtectOurFreedom
Why AoA sensors at all... if they are vulnerable to collisions with objects. Why not a gyroscopic instrument.
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posted on
05/05/2019 10:38:47 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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