Bingo.
Posted on 05/02/2019 5:53:43 AM PDT by reaganaut1
The chancellor of New York City schools testified for more than two hours at a City Council hearing Wednesday, staunchly defending the view that the admissions test for eight elite high schools must be abolished.
Chancellor Richard Carranza said the 1971 state law that governs admissions was designed to block integration. Now about 10% of students at the sought-after schools are black or Hispanic, despite making up nearly 67% of the city’s enrollment.
“Either we believe that black and Latino students are biologically, physiologically, genealogically incapable of being admitted to a specialized school or it is the method and methodology that is shutting out a vast majority of our students,” Mr. Carranza said. “I know it’s the methodology.”
Supporters of the specialized school exam rallied on City Hall steps to argue it is the most objective, fair way to gauge academic skills. The hearing’s agenda included debating a bill to start a task force that would issue recommendations on new admissions criteria.
Councilman Peter Koo, a Democrat who represents parts of Queens, backed the test as a way to identify who can achieve academically.
“Either we are all born equal, or we are all born with different talents,” he said to Carranza at the hearing. “Me and you are short. We don’t play basketball.”
Mr. Carranza told reporters later during a break: “I’m not the best basketball player, but I can shoot the three-pointer.”
Council Speaker Corey Johnson asked for the city Department of Education’s overarching plan to address segregation in a meaningful and systematic way.
The chancellor said he was waiting for the second batch of recommendations this summer from the School Diversity Advisory Group, a roughly-40-member panel appointed by the mayor that has spent almost two years coming up with policy advice.
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Peter Koo, the council member quoted, hints at this when he says “Either we are all born equal, or we are all born with different talents,” he said to Carranza at the hearing. “Me and you are short. We don’t play basketball.”
We have decades and decades worth of solid scientific evidence that the methodology isn't the problem. The IQ is the problem.
Admissions tests are supposed to keep out the stupid people. Seems to be working just fine.
Peter Koo:
And yes, of course he is right.
Does it hurt the rest of the system to siphon off the best students, who could also be accommodated by elite classes within their neighborhood schools? (Or at least near-neighborhood, as something of magnet classes could be structured at neighboring schools if there weren’t a critical mass of students at whatever advanced level for a particular subject.)
Yes, it probably does. It leaves a greater concentration of students who aren’t good at and don’t value academics in the less-favored schools, which undoubtedly pulls down the culture there.
But it also probably helps elite students to attend magnet schools, however, as they get more of a hot-house environment for fostering their talents.
Tradeoffs, with the less ideal solution for the elite students pretty much what top students get stuck with in the rest of the country.
Sometimes I get tired, walking around all the time.
Why not get rid of GRAVITY for those times, huh..?
So, if you end admissions testing and go to what, a lottery system, then what makes the school elite anymore?
Bingo.
It ain’t the methodology! It’s the fact that you are denying, idiot!
When exam after exam, in all places, at all times, show the same thing, it’s time to pay attention to what the exams are telling you!
It's better for one's political future to believe in pervasive unconscious racism that influences every aspect of society, and reality itself. Preferable to believe that atoms and molecules are racist.
Imagine being one of those “preferred minorities” that actually got admitted on merit; now your new school will be just like the others - may as well just choose by geography at that point.
The end result will be an environment where even the smart people won’t be able to learn because of the stupid people in their classes.
“Either we believe that black and Latino students are biologically, physiologically, genealogically incapable of being admitted to a specialized school or it is the method and methodology that is shutting out a vast majority of our students,” Mr. Carranza said. “I know it’s the methodology.”
When studiousness is “Acting White”, perhaps they could look at CULTURE.
“Either we believe that black and Latino students are biologically, physiologically, genealogically incapable of being admitted to a specialized school or it is the method and methodology that is shutting out a vast majority of our students,” Mr. Carranza said”
Typical liberal, framing the argument dishonestly.
Not too full of himself, is he?
He is using a Straw Man argument - ignoring the rotten culture of blacks & hispanics.
Democratic voters of the Coalition of the Fringes, fighting and I love it.
Thomas Sowell points to the formerly elite black Dunbar HS in DC.
It became just another ghetto school when it could no longer “discriminate” using testing for acceptance.
Maybe, but "progressives" have an answer for that.
About a decade or so ago, the Berkeley, CA school system stopped offering AP classes because not enough of the "right" color students could survive the advanced environment.
So this forty plus gang of diversity advocates is actively consigning those minority students with higher IQs and the drive to learn and excel to be field slaves on the Dem plantation, them being uppity and all, trying to act white, or lawdy lawdy! even act all Asian.
Tell me again who are the racists here.
The assumption is that mixing good students in with bad students will improve the good students. The reality is that the bad students will wreck the learning environment enough to cripple the education of the good students.
Sewage plus a dab of ice cream is still sewage.
It doesn't affect the elites, who put their kids into elite private schools. These "gifted" public schools serve the kids of middle/working class families who can't afford private schools.
The reality is, that the elites do not want THEIR kids to have competition from smart middle/working class kids.
Only the most ridiculous make that claim, though those at the top of the academic pile at a bad school may be more confident and assured than those same students if they are at the bottom of the heap at a good school.
I do believe the reports quoted, however, about bad students doing better individually at good schools than at bad ones. Being around a culture of those with high expectations, respect for education, and a positive work ethic coupled with low criminality are likely to benefit from that influence.
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