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Boeing delays Starliner test flights (again, and again, and again...)
SpaceNews ^ | 4/3/19 | Jeff Foust

Posted on 04/03/2019 11:11:57 AM PDT by Yossarian

WASHINGTON — Boeing confirmed April 2 it will delay the uncrewed test flight of its commercial crew vehicle, citing a tight schedule and conflicts with another launch.

In a statement to SpaceNews, Boeing said the first flight of its CST-100 Starliner spacecraft, called the Orbital Flight Test, is now scheduled for August on a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 from Cape Canaveral, Florida. That launch had been scheduled for this spring.

In the statement, Boeing said it had entered the “final phases of production” of the Starliner that will fly that uncrewed test flight. “Our Starliner team continues to press toward a launch readiness date later this spring,” the company said, which also included the completion of a final set of testing milestones.

Boeing, though, said the issue was a pad conflict with the Advanced Extremely High Frequency (AEHF) 5 military communications satellite, scheduled to launch in late June on another Atlas 5 from the same pad. Boeing said they had only a two-day launch window in May available for the Starliner launch before they would have to stand down for the AEHF-5 launch.

“In order to avoid unnecessary schedule pressure, not interfere with a critical national security payload, and allow appropriate schedule margin to ensure the Boeing, United Launch Alliance and NASA teams are able to perform a successful first launch of Starliner, we made the most responsible decision available to us and will be ready for the next launch pad availability in August,” the company said.

That delay will, in turn, push back the second test flight of the vehicle, which had been scheduled for no earlier than August. Boeing said that, even with the delay in the uncrewed test, it expects to carry out that crewed test flight, which will carry two NASA astronauts and Boeing test pilot Chris Ferguson, “later this year.” That’s likely to be no earlier than November, according to industry sources.

NASA last published the schedule of commercial crew test flights Feb. 6, despite statements last fall by the agency that it would update schedules “approximately monthly” as the test flights approached. Since that last update, SpaceX carried out its first commercial crew mission, the uncrewed Demo-1 test flight, launching March 2 and returning to Earth six days later.

That most recent schedule called for a crewed flight test of SpaceX Crew Dragon vehicle, carrying two NASA astronauts, in July. That date is also expected to slip, although neither NASA nor SpaceX have provided an update on the schedule for that mission or the status of reviews of the Demo-1 test flight.

Despite the delays, NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine said April 2 he believed crewed test flights would take place this year. “We are in the midst of watching commercial crew continue to show advancements,” he said in opening remarks at a House Science Committee hearing about the agency’s fiscal year 2020 budget request. “By the end of this year, we will be launching American astronauts on American rockets from American soil to the International Space Station.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; elonmusk; falcon9; falconheavy; jimbridenstine; manufacturing; nasa; spacex; starliner
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(As a proud American Engineer it kills me to say this:)

These days, if it's Boeing, it ain't going.

1 posted on 04/03/2019 11:11:57 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

They knew they knew they knew and even after those last pilots disengaged the computer it reactivated and plunged the plane to the ground.


2 posted on 04/03/2019 11:13:47 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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Too much FOD? I remember when that saying was the opposite.


3 posted on 04/03/2019 11:14:13 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Yossarian
From another article: "In the statement released this morning, NASA stated that Starliner’s uncrewed OFT mission was being delayed to a “working date” in August 2019"

"Working date" - so it most probably won't even be an an August launch. Way to go with project management, Boeing and NASA!

4 posted on 04/03/2019 11:17:00 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

SpaceX successfully completed their test flight last month.


5 posted on 04/03/2019 11:17:32 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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To: SkyDancer
They knew they knew they knew and even after those last pilots disengaged the computer it reactivated and plunged the plane to the ground.

Pilots and computers are Boeing's 737 Max problem. FOD is Boeing's KC-46 problem. This article is about Boeing's Starliner problem.

You need a scorecard to keep track of Boeing's 2019 problems.

6 posted on 04/03/2019 11:19:46 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Moonman62
SpaceX successfully completed their test flight last month.

In comments, people are saying the Crewed Dragon didn't fly with a full working environmental control system, and that problems took place in the Dragon - ISS hook-up, by my memory in the area of computer interfacing.

I don't have time to look up the authoritative reports on those potential problems, but it's fair to say that SpaceX isn't perfect either, but looks to be leading this race. The common point of failure is NASA.

7 posted on 04/03/2019 11:25:16 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: rktman

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FOD ?


8 posted on 04/03/2019 11:25:33 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Yossarian
Pilots and computers are Boeing's 737 Max problem. FOD is Boeing's KC-46 problem. This article is about Boeing's Starliner problem.

...and I completely left out Boeing's SLS problems. Years and years behind schedule, on a program based solely on technology already developed for and proven by the Space Shuttle.

9 posted on 04/03/2019 11:27:02 AM PDT by Yossarian
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They just need to tweak the Starliner’s MCAS software...


10 posted on 04/03/2019 11:30:26 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yossarian

My favorite Starliner was made by Ford in the early 1960’s. Rag top, 390 with a four barrel, and a three speed Ford-O-Matic made for sweet highway cruising.


11 posted on 04/03/2019 12:09:29 PM PDT by VietVet876
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NASA supposedly solved all these technological problems over fifty years ago, or did they?

http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/


12 posted on 04/03/2019 12:44:13 PM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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Rag top, 390 with a four barrel, and a three speed Ford-O-Matic made for sweet highway cruising.

my friend's dad had one of those except it was 4-on-the-floor! white with black buckets!


13 posted on 04/03/2019 1:13:45 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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Do they have to update the (MCAS)on this vehicle too? : )


14 posted on 04/03/2019 1:50:53 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (My sister said the only thing that did not was the clock. GE has spare parts)
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“Years and years behind schedule, on a program based solely on technology already developed for and proven by the Space Shuttle.”

It is pretty pathetic. Sold as ‘well it is already proven and off the shelf!’ when it was really just a welfare program for the status quo. SpaceX’s success less to do with some sort of brilliance and more to do with the old guard being gutless dinosaurs run by bean counters.


15 posted on 04/03/2019 1:56:04 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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White with black buckets and a four speed is sweet. I made a mistake. The ragtop was the Sunliner and the Starliner was the pillar-less coupe. It was a long time ago. I was only 14 in 1961.


16 posted on 04/03/2019 3:36:45 PM PDT by VietVet876
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(...) and more to do with the old guard being gutless dinosaurs run by bean counters.

All under the watchful eye of The Swamp. Congresscritters and their staff, or executive-branch lifers, who don't give a rat's ass about actually executing the goal of the project - EITHER in reality or in spirit - but who care passionately that the sweet, sweet government funding (to be kicked back as campaign contributions) keeps flowing.

Don't even get me started on the James Webb Space Telescope. I'm so angry about that project (Northrup Grumman run) that I could spit!

17 posted on 04/03/2019 3:52:20 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: VietVet876

I think I goofed too, it was a Galaxie 500 with a 390. it was heavy, and would lay rubber for a half block.


18 posted on 04/03/2019 3:53:16 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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How many years late?

How many Billions over ‘promised’ cost?


19 posted on 04/03/2019 4:42:28 PM PDT by ASOC (Having humility really means one is rarely humiliated)
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I don't have time to look up the authoritative reports on those potential problems, but it's fair to say that SpaceX isn't perfect either, but looks to be leading this race. The common point of failure is NASA.

It's funny how the (well-deserved) disdain for all of the players is almost universal today - in the Sixties you would have been shot by your neighbors if you even hinted that US technological progress was leading us into anything short of an era of omnipotence.

20 posted on 04/03/2019 6:42:50 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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