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Boeing delays Starliner test flights (again, and again, and again...)
SpaceNews ^ | 4/3/19 | Jeff Foust

Posted on 04/03/2019 11:11:57 AM PDT by Yossarian

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(As a proud American Engineer it kills me to say this:)

These days, if it's Boeing, it ain't going.

1 posted on 04/03/2019 11:11:57 AM PDT by Yossarian
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They knew they knew they knew and even after those last pilots disengaged the computer it reactivated and plunged the plane to the ground.


2 posted on 04/03/2019 11:13:47 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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Too much FOD? I remember when that saying was the opposite.


3 posted on 04/03/2019 11:14:13 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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From another article: "In the statement released this morning, NASA stated that Starliner’s uncrewed OFT mission was being delayed to a “working date” in August 2019"

"Working date" - so it most probably won't even be an an August launch. Way to go with project management, Boeing and NASA!

4 posted on 04/03/2019 11:17:00 AM PDT by Yossarian
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SpaceX successfully completed their test flight last month.


5 posted on 04/03/2019 11:17:32 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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They knew they knew they knew and even after those last pilots disengaged the computer it reactivated and plunged the plane to the ground.

Pilots and computers are Boeing's 737 Max problem. FOD is Boeing's KC-46 problem. This article is about Boeing's Starliner problem.

You need a scorecard to keep track of Boeing's 2019 problems.

6 posted on 04/03/2019 11:19:46 AM PDT by Yossarian
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SpaceX successfully completed their test flight last month.

In comments, people are saying the Crewed Dragon didn't fly with a full working environmental control system, and that problems took place in the Dragon - ISS hook-up, by my memory in the area of computer interfacing.

I don't have time to look up the authoritative reports on those potential problems, but it's fair to say that SpaceX isn't perfect either, but looks to be leading this race. The common point of failure is NASA.

7 posted on 04/03/2019 11:25:16 AM PDT by Yossarian
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https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FOD ?


8 posted on 04/03/2019 11:25:33 AM PDT by sasquatch
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Pilots and computers are Boeing's 737 Max problem. FOD is Boeing's KC-46 problem. This article is about Boeing's Starliner problem.

...and I completely left out Boeing's SLS problems. Years and years behind schedule, on a program based solely on technology already developed for and proven by the Space Shuttle.

9 posted on 04/03/2019 11:27:02 AM PDT by Yossarian
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They just need to tweak the Starliner’s MCAS software...


10 posted on 04/03/2019 11:30:26 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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My favorite Starliner was made by Ford in the early 1960’s. Rag top, 390 with a four barrel, and a three speed Ford-O-Matic made for sweet highway cruising.


11 posted on 04/03/2019 12:09:29 PM PDT by VietVet876
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NASA supposedly solved all these technological problems over fifty years ago, or did they?

http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/


12 posted on 04/03/2019 12:44:13 PM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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Rag top, 390 with a four barrel, and a three speed Ford-O-Matic made for sweet highway cruising.

my friend's dad had one of those except it was 4-on-the-floor! white with black buckets!


13 posted on 04/03/2019 1:13:45 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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Do they have to update the (MCAS)on this vehicle too? : )


14 posted on 04/03/2019 1:50:53 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (My sister said the only thing that did not was the clock. GE has spare parts)
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“Years and years behind schedule, on a program based solely on technology already developed for and proven by the Space Shuttle.”

It is pretty pathetic. Sold as ‘well it is already proven and off the shelf!’ when it was really just a welfare program for the status quo. SpaceX’s success less to do with some sort of brilliance and more to do with the old guard being gutless dinosaurs run by bean counters.


15 posted on 04/03/2019 1:56:04 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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White with black buckets and a four speed is sweet. I made a mistake. The ragtop was the Sunliner and the Starliner was the pillar-less coupe. It was a long time ago. I was only 14 in 1961.


16 posted on 04/03/2019 3:36:45 PM PDT by VietVet876
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(...) and more to do with the old guard being gutless dinosaurs run by bean counters.

All under the watchful eye of The Swamp. Congresscritters and their staff, or executive-branch lifers, who don't give a rat's ass about actually executing the goal of the project - EITHER in reality or in spirit - but who care passionately that the sweet, sweet government funding (to be kicked back as campaign contributions) keeps flowing.

Don't even get me started on the James Webb Space Telescope. I'm so angry about that project (Northrup Grumman run) that I could spit!

17 posted on 04/03/2019 3:52:20 PM PDT by Yossarian
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I think I goofed too, it was a Galaxie 500 with a 390. it was heavy, and would lay rubber for a half block.


18 posted on 04/03/2019 3:53:16 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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How many years late?

How many Billions over ‘promised’ cost?


19 posted on 04/03/2019 4:42:28 PM PDT by ASOC (Having humility really means one is rarely humiliated)
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I don't have time to look up the authoritative reports on those potential problems, but it's fair to say that SpaceX isn't perfect either, but looks to be leading this race. The common point of failure is NASA.

It's funny how the (well-deserved) disdain for all of the players is almost universal today - in the Sixties you would have been shot by your neighbors if you even hinted that US technological progress was leading us into anything short of an era of omnipotence.

20 posted on 04/03/2019 6:42:50 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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