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Exclusive: Cockpit voice recorder of doomed Lion Air jet depicts pilots' frantic search for fix
Reuters ^ | 20 March 2019 | Cindy Silviana, Jamie Freed, Tim Hepher

Posted on 03/20/2019 5:18:38 AM PDT by csvset

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To: ProudDeplorable

I don’t agree. I’d argue that many human error circumstances have been avoided. Modern aircraft fly themselves 99% of the time. The incident rate is very impressive compared to the past.


81 posted on 03/20/2019 7:00:39 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: csvset

“Quick, quick! Google “how to avoid a plane crash”!”

“Yes, sir.”


82 posted on 03/20/2019 7:03:44 AM PDT by moovova
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To: csvset
Unfortunately, these days airlines are hiring cockpit managers instead of pilots who know how to fly.
Problems? Turn off the auto pilot and fly the plane while your co-pilot reads the check list.
Inexperience in the cockpit is what killed these folks.
83 posted on 03/20/2019 7:18:39 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Gay State Conservative

Suggestion—

Stay off third world airlines. Governing authority is ineffective. Insist on either EASA or US (FAA) certification of training. Most third world crews have minimal experience and minimal training. Maintenance is unlikely to be any better unless outsourced to a first world regulated shop.

Been there, seen it.


84 posted on 03/20/2019 7:26:52 AM PDT by whistleduck (arpoon)
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To: SunTzuWu
The auto pilot did not crash this aircraft.

This aircraft was crashed by the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) system, which is active whether the autopilot is on or not.

In this case, the pilots were hand-flying the plane right into the water. They wanted to go up, the MCAS wanted to nose down. The MCAS won the fight before they were able to disable it.

85 posted on 03/20/2019 7:27:52 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Haiku Guy

Seattle Times reported yesterday that the MCAS delivered 4 times more down bubble that FAA approved.


86 posted on 03/20/2019 7:36:46 AM PDT by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Yeah I get it.
The new fobs are not really designed to go on a key ring. Just put it in your pocket or purse and leave it there. No need to ever touch it except to get it in the morning and put it away at night.


87 posted on 03/20/2019 7:47:05 AM PDT by adamjeeps
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To: Robe

Ruh roh...


88 posted on 03/20/2019 7:49:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: PLMerite

re:

“How much muscle power does it take to pull back the yoke if the trim tab is set to nose down? Seems to me my arms would NEVER get tired.”

The aircraft apparently was in control, and it thought it was right. You can’t win that argument.


The area under control of the Trim Stabilizer is a lot larger than the area for elevator control (from the pilot’s ‘stick’ or wheel).

GUESS which one wins?


89 posted on 03/20/2019 7:54:20 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: Pravious

The plane is fine - it’s the software that’s bad.


90 posted on 03/20/2019 8:00:03 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I do that on occasion with my wife’s 2017 Rav 4, you’re not alone.


91 posted on 03/20/2019 8:05:32 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower tAraffic keep right)
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To: csvset

Hit the stab trim cutoff switch.

Done.


92 posted on 03/20/2019 8:08:38 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: ProudDeplorable

Like I previously said, The tech should warn and inform the PILOTS, not take over control of the airplane.

Like “stall, stall, check your trim system”

The whole idea of letting the plane “TAKE OVER” (AI), control from the pilots is beyond DANGEROUS!

What are they “REALLY” trying to do with this?

Prevent Allahu Akbar pilots from crashing their planes (Egypt Air).

Eliminate unions? Computers have no need of the Air Line Pilots Association, (ALPA). (pilotless airplanes)

There have been several crashes where inexplicably pilots have forgotten to set their flaps correctly.

How about a warning system that says “FLAPS, FLAPS”, NOT the computer, on its own, setting the flaps.

Like I’ve said, they have had this type of problem since 1988 and they are still KILLING PEOPLE with it. Over THIRTY years and they still can’t get it right.

Air France Flight 296, an Airbus A320-111 On June 26, 1988, crashed when the plane’s computer would not allow the pilot to pull up and power up to avoid crashing. The “plane” knew better.


93 posted on 03/20/2019 8:16:32 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: PAR35

There you go again, inserting facts into a perfectly good thread. Fortunately, everyone is ignoring you, so this nonsense babble will continue until the traveling salesman weighs back in with his wisdom and insights.


94 posted on 03/20/2019 8:20:49 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: csvset

“Alexa, are we really in a stall?”

“Hmmm, I don’t know that one”


95 posted on 03/20/2019 8:21:35 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: csvset

Alexa, are we going to crash?”

“Here’s Should I Stay or Should I Go, by The Clash, on Amazon Music.”


96 posted on 03/20/2019 8:24:35 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Daniel Ramsey

The Greenies have another pile of bodies.

They modified the plane to save fuel costs.


97 posted on 03/20/2019 8:39:00 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Mitt Romney, Chuck Schumer's p*ssboy)
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To: cuban leaf

We had those guys where I worked too. They were called “Console Operators”.


98 posted on 03/20/2019 8:49:30 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Gay State Conservative
too bad it wasn't written in Indonesian...or whatever language they speak in Indonesia.

Really loud muslim, I believe.

99 posted on 03/20/2019 8:56:31 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: SkyPilot

My understanding is the First Officer was at the controls and had 200 hours flight time. Not 200 hours on this type — 200 hours total.


100 posted on 03/20/2019 8:59:49 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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