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Watching the Cardinal Pell verdict live
Daily Mail (Australia/UK) ^ | 13th March 2019

Posted on 03/12/2019 4:28:50 PM PDT by naturalman1975

I hope this thread will last as the last one was pulled because it didn't have a link - because I can't extract a link to use. I'm watching this live on Australian television. I am watching the Pell verdict. The Judge has made two points I find interesting. (1) That he does believe there has been a witch hunt against Pell. (2) That he, as the judge, is obliged to sentence on the basis of the jury's verdict, and not to second guess that verdict.

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1 posted on 03/12/2019 4:28:50 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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2 posted on 03/12/2019 4:29:47 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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If he is convicted and given time, he’ll have to find something to do in prison. Bible classes? Religious instruction?


3 posted on 03/12/2019 4:31:14 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ( "It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine

He has been convicted, although he is appealing that (and frankly, I have very serious doubts that he is guilty and I am hardly alone in that).


4 posted on 03/12/2019 4:32:45 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

What I am actually watching is the sentencing, but trying to set up a second live thread, lead to an error on my part in the heading.


5 posted on 03/12/2019 4:33:31 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2019/02/26/3676987605016097063/1024x576_MP4_3676987605016097063.mp4
6 posted on 03/12/2019 4:34:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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If he is innocent, he should walk free. I have no opinion on his specific case.

As to clergy who have abused, they should meet some accounting, whether through the Church (seemingly unlikely) or the civil justice system.


7 posted on 03/12/2019 4:34:59 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ( "It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thank you.


8 posted on 03/12/2019 4:35:34 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQSwh3bgs5k


9 posted on 03/12/2019 4:35:50 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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To: naturalman1975

That was the wrong one.

I posted the live link above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQSwh3bgs5k


10 posted on 03/12/2019 4:36:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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To: naturalman1975

They will release him to the general prison population who will kill him, which is what the authorities desire.


11 posted on 03/12/2019 4:41:02 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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The general prison population might kill him because he’s a conservative Catholic, but everybody, prisoners included, know that he’s not a child molester and that he was railroaded at the behest of the anti-Catholic Austrialian government (and Pope Francis, who was finding Pell uncomfortable because he was looking into Vatican finances and naively thought that Francis wanted him to do something about the corruption).

Who knows, he might end up a hero with the prison population. Also, he is a very devout man, so he might even do some good by suffering injustice patiently.


12 posted on 03/12/2019 4:57:45 PM PDT by livius
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I know he is innocent as this could not happen as the Crown said it did. I was talking to a cleric yesterday, he has been an MC for high churchmen many times. I asked what he would do if a high ranking prelate left the recessional before it got to the front door. Of course he answered that he would go after the prelate to make sure that he was OK. Obvious, I know, but the Crown could not figure that out, or anything else. I pray for Cardinal Pell every night, I honor his suffering at the hands of the pagans.


13 posted on 03/12/2019 5:08:54 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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Sentence is six years with a non parole period of three years and eight months.


14 posted on 03/12/2019 5:10:28 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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And Pell is 77 years old.


15 posted on 03/12/2019 5:44:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Romans 12:9 - "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.")
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16 posted on 03/12/2019 5:45:29 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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I pray for him too.


17 posted on 03/12/2019 5:52:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: naturalman1975
Watched part of it online. I suspect that I'm in the minority but I believe that a Catholic priest's being forbidden to marry attracts men who have no desire to marry...a woman. I know that you,Naturalman,are inclined to think that Cardinal Pell is innocent and there are certainly those who'll make false accusations but I'm looking at this in a more general way.

IOW I think that priests should be allowed to marry.And I suspect that I'll get at least one or two responses (as I always do) in disagreement.

18 posted on 03/12/2019 6:02:01 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Mitt Romney: Bringing Massachusetts Values To The Great State Of Utah.)
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I've no real argument against the idea of Priests being able to marry - I grew up in the Anglican Church, although I'm not a Catholic - but I think the issue of celibacy as having any relevance to this issue is probably overstated.

Australia has recently carried out a Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse. The final reports on that haven't been released yet, but what we already know from that commission - which was largely set up out of concern about the Catholic Church - is that sexual abuse of children was just common in the Catholic Church, but also in a wide range of other denominations, and in non-Christian and non-religious groups as well. In fact, looking at the raw statistics, at the moment it looks like sexual molestation of children in the Catholic church was actually significantly less common than in certain other denominations - the Catholic Church has attracted a lot more attention, but when you actually dig deeper...

19 posted on 03/12/2019 6:27:12 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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My mom told me she thinks he’s innocent, framed because he went after the Pope. Is that so?


20 posted on 03/12/2019 11:26:22 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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