Posted on 03/12/2019 3:54:29 PM PDT by Kaslin
Arkansas state Senator Stephanie Flowers captivated the international news media with her fiery attack on “Stand Your Ground” legislation, which guarantees the right to defend oneself without retreating as far as possible. Author Joyce Carol Oates took inspiration from Flowers’ comments, lauding her as “astonishing/courageous.” Actress Sarah Silverman hailed her as a “hero,” saying that her “face should be on money.” Other women took inspiration from her refusal “to be silenced, intimidated, or victimized by the systems that govern our societies. Especially to women who come from historically traumatized, disenfranchised, & dehumanized communities.”
Flowers was very upset by “how many black kids, black boys, black men are being killed with these Stand Your Ground defenses that these people raise, and they get off.”
Flowers is right to be concerned about the high homicide rates in her neighborhood.
But she misses the fact that innocent black victims use Stand Your Ground laws in their defense. After all, poor blacks who live in high-crime urban areas are the most likely victims of crime. Unless police happen to be around, they have to try to protect themselves. Having to retreat as far as possible can make this more difficult, and such a requirement disproportionately impacts blacks. Most important, letting people defend themselves actually deters murder.
Florida is one state that has very detailed data on the races of those who have used Stand Your Ground defenses. Blacks make up 16.7% of Florida's population, but they account for 34% of defendants who invoke the Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 4 percentage points more frequently than white defendants who do so.
The Tampa Bay Times collected 119 cases, from 2006 to October 2014, in which people charged with murder relied on Florida's Stand Your Ground law. Seventy-six percent of the black defendants had killed other blacks. Most of the people who were acquitted of murdering a black person were themselves black. About 64% of blacks who raised the Stand Your Ground defense were not convicted, compared to 60% of whites.
Blacks who were killed in these confrontations were 26 percentage points more likely to be armed with a gun than whites who were slain. They were also 25 percentage points more likely to have been committing a crime at the time of the shooting. This suggests that their killers reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attackers.
The Tampa Bay Times collected a lot of other useful information on: who initiated the confrontation and why; if the shooting occurred on the defendant’s property; whether a witness was present; if there was physical evidence; and whether the defendant pursued the victim.
When we account for these other factors, we find that killing a black rather than a white increases the defendant's odds of being convicted. White defendants were also more likely to be convicted than black defendants.
So what about Flowers’ concerns about how Stand Your Ground laws will be applied? She asks, “Do I have a right to stand my ground with some crazy-ass person walking around with a doggone gun? I don’t know what the hell he intends to do. But I know I am scared, I feel threatened.” But according to Stand Your Ground laws, lethal force is only justified if a reasonable person would believe that an attacker intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death. The response has to be proportionate to the threat.
You can’t shoot someone just because they are carrying a gun. They actually have to be threatening someone.
But requiring people to make an "appropriate retreat" can really make things confusing. Overzealous prosecutors sometimes argue that people who defended themselves could have retreated even farther. But it’s very hard for an outside observer to put themselves in the shoes of someone in a life-and-death situation.
Over 30 states have adopted laws that remove the requirement to retreat. Some states have had these laws since their inceptions. Before the famous 2012 Trayvon Martin case, these laws were overwhelmingly supported across racial lines. The irony is that George Zimmerman never used the Stand Your Ground law in his defense. Zimmerman was on his back and had no option to retreat, so the law was completely irrelevant.
Senator Flowers has it backwards. Not letting blacks use Stand Your Ground laws means that more victims will die and more will go to jail for acting in self-defense. Blacks have a legitimate need to defend themselves more often than any other racial group, and we should let them stand their ground.
“Blacks make up 16.7% of Florida’s population, but they account for 34% of defendants who invoke the Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 4 percentage points more frequently than white defendants who do so.”
Can’t let the facts get in the way of a good narrative though.
America’s indigenous urban peoples consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.
Dear Arkansas state Senator Stephanie Flowers:
GFYourself. You have armed protection.
Normal Americans have the BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to armed defense of themselves, their families and their property.
Period.
Don’t like it? Move to some other country.
Again, I’ll reiterate in plain English: GFYourself.
The Martin case is one of the few trials I have watched. The prosecution could not even make me doubt Zimmerman was 100% not guilty. They provided no evidence at all.
The author AND Flowers both miss the point completely. Stand your ground is only applicable in cases where you are being attacked. Perhaps if her constituents would stop attacking people, they would not fear the stand your ground laws.
Exactly. Even a child could understand this. The issue is that the criminals don't want people defending themselves.
If I remember my history, “Duty to flee” laws were designed so black people could not ‘stand their ground” when the boys in white sheets appeared at your front door. You fled out the back into the arms of U-no-whu.
Are these anyonet and your ground laws actually endorsing crime. Stop the crime and no one gets shot. RESPONSIBILTY WITH FREEDOM.
John Lott is a national treasure.
I'm imaging a bunch of fags in Hamburg sitting in a coffee shop and an American tourist walks in and they try to talk to him about "Stephanie Flowers" and he goes "Who?".
I hope normal Arkansas voters who don't give a damn about what the international media thinks are captivated to keep VOTING REPUBLICAN.
I didn’t hear of this buffoon until the article. She’s one of 9 members of a rapidly-shrinking AR Demoncrat State Senate caucus from a sad, stagnant area of SE AR around Pine Bluff (I’ve visited and stayed there, so I know).
If Flowers cares about her “peeps”, she’d focus on policies to restore the sanctity of a two-parent married household as the cornerstone of cultural stability. Focusing on defending thugs from slugs proves she isn’t a serious individual about fixing problems within the community, and is just another useless leftist tool for those who benefit keeping Blacks in utter chaos, perpetual dysfunction, ignorance and violence.
Of course many black people die by the hand of others ‘standing their ground’. It is because black people are more likely the aggressor of criminal acts and people fight back and kill them.
In short, this black woman wants you to be defenseless and be killed by that black person. She is a leftist and wants you dead, but also, and more importantly, she wants and demands the black attacker to remain alive to be able to kill again.
JoMa
Violent criminals and their families are apparently an important part of the Democrat constituency.
“anyonet and your ground laws”
I ain’t never heered no tell o’ no sich laws as them afore.
I didn’t make that post. I didn’t know anything about this until 4 O clock local news today.
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