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Never What? (Victor Davis Hanson)
National Review ^ | 3/12/2019 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/12/2019 10:21:49 AM PDT by bitt

Iwrote a book, The Case for Trump, in an effort — as an outsider who has no career investment in Trump and has never met him or visited the Trump White House — to analyze how and why Donald J. Trump was elected president and why his agenda so far has been successful. One Gabriel Schoenfeld has just published a hysterical attack on that effort in the Bill Kristol–Charles Sykes new Bulwark, and it is emblematic of that venue’s promised Never Trump ad hominem assault on individual supporters of the president. A writer for The Atlantic recently interviewed Sykes, noting:

But in the coming months, he [Sykes] tells me, The Bulwark will home in on a specific class of “grifters and trolls” — those opportunistic Trump enablers who still get invited on Meet the Press and write for prestigious newspapers. To Sykes, these are the true sellouts, and he wants to ensure that their public flirtations with Trumpism leave a stench on them.

Though wishing to leave “a stench on them,” Schoenfeld instead gives us a sad exercise in self-abasement. And his review offers an illustration of the poverty of Never Trump personal venom and incoherence.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; bloggers; hanson; nevertrump; nevertrumpers; trump; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: bitt

Excellent article, particularly useful against any squishy, NeverTrumpers you might know, as well as against any Dim whiners.


21 posted on 03/12/2019 12:25:35 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: Hot Tabasco; P-Marlowe; rhombus10
No, "dude." And I'm not alone. He campaigned on the issue of stopping illegal immigration and getting the wall built. That was his agenda. It's been two years. Two years. And still we have thousands of these animals streaming across our border.

From another thread on FR re this very subject:

In the light of the absolute authority on all immigration matters granted by the Supreme Court specifically to the presidency articulated in the recent decision Hawaii vs Trump, there should be grave concern as to what is going on. Why has our president not stopped catch and release? I support Trump but this unacceptable. 100,000 streaming in per month!!

I voted for Trump and I would vote for him again over any of the dem candidates. But from all accounts he is not following through on his promises to stop the illegals.That was his #1 campaign issue and he’s blowing it.

The power was granted by the Supreme Court, It is unfettered control of immigration. Hawaii vs Trump. Chrystal clear.

It’s been a month since his big emergency declaration after stalling with the shutdown. What the hell happened?

He’s always had total authority over national security. The fact is the border is wide open and we’re still doing catch and release. More than a quarter of a million per month are streaming in... Something is horribly wrong.

I can remember when People kept coming up with these to excuse the failures of GW.

Yup. It’s disgusting. I’m tired of making excuses


22 posted on 03/12/2019 12:45:22 PM PDT by LouAvul (Socialism is the logical conclusion of liberalism. Anarchy is the logical conclusion of socialism.)
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To: bitt

Excellent article! A complete and thorough dismantling of Never Trumpers in general and Gabriel Schoenfeld in particular.

Oddly, I don’t always agree with VDH. This time he has banged one out of the ballpark and into the low dollar parking section.

Thanks for posting the article.


23 posted on 03/12/2019 1:10:08 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Charlie Sykes was the squeaky wheel, nails on chalkboard, local radio personality who never did anything but talk an inflamed game. Classic definition of a putz. His “GOTCHA” interwiew with Trump on his radio show sealed his fate . . .


24 posted on 03/12/2019 1:20:02 PM PDT by BraveMan
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25 posted on 03/12/2019 1:23:22 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: bitt
These catfights are a big reason why the intellectual right and political writers in general have lost so much credibility lately.

VDH is on the right side here, but he carries so much baggage from the Bush era, that it's hard to come down too strongly on his side.

All these writers want to be gunslingers, but they've all been wrong about things in the past and will be wrong again in the futue.

26 posted on 03/12/2019 1:25:59 PM PDT by x
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To: LouAvul

My bar is a little lower than yours and I don’t
apologize. I see what Trump is trying to achieve
versus the power stacked against him. But, just
as important to me is what is NOT going on due to
Trumps presidency. No Hillary agenda!


27 posted on 03/12/2019 1:30:21 PM PDT by Sivad (Demo M/O = infiltrate, overtake, politicize, weaponize)
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To: LouAvul
No, "dude." And I'm not alone. He campaigned on the issue of stopping illegal immigration and getting the wall built. That was his agenda. It's been two years. Two years. And still we have thousands of these animals streaming across our border.

You're right dude, you're not alone. You now have that dumbass book selling Ann Coulter on your side as well as the left wing media who has you hooked line and sinker......How's that for sidekicks, eh?...LOL!

I'm gonna start off with the approval of the Keystone Pipeline, the renewal of the offshore oil drilling permits that were never approved under Obama, then the approval of drilling in ANWR, and move on to the shredding of NAFTA and renegotiating the trade agreements with Canada and Mexico. And lets not ignore the pressure we are putting on China in order to correct the disparity trade.

Then I'll mention his pulling out of the UN Climate Accord and basically telling them to go screw themselves.

Now I'll move on to after 60 years, bringing North Korea to the bargaining table and negotiating their dismantling their nuclear program. While that's a work in progress, he at least negotiated the return of American hostages and the return of the remains of the American servicemen who died there in the Korean war............

And is it necessary for me to even mention the income tax cuts for YOU and I and the corporate tax cuts that have jump started this economy?????

Economic Growth:

4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.

For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.

Jobs 4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.

More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.

Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.

The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.

Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.

Unemployment claims at 50 year low

African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.

African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.

Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.

Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.

Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.

Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.

Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.

July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.

Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.

July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.

Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.

Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.

Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.

Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”

68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.

Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.

Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.

Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.

Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.

100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.

You focus on one promise he made that is solely dependent on financing from an anti-Trump Congress and call him a failure? Take your head out of your ass!!!!!

28 posted on 03/12/2019 1:59:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

That’s great. I’ll have to pay $50 bucks, though, to become a member.


29 posted on 03/12/2019 2:10:13 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: weston
Schoenfeld was once a professed conservative who now conveniently adopts positions he once refuted, and he does so while in pay to a billionaire leftist who in large part underwrites The Bulwark’s invective to damage conservatives.
This is Never Trumpers in a shell. They've sold out their Conservative values and teamed up with Liberals because voters ignored their punditry. They're still in the middle of a temper tantrum, flailing around so hard they don't realize they've lost. Dad has already left the room.

Whenever some of them show up on the arcamax comic strips, I usually reply with of my favorites:

Some of 'em get pretty upset. (My work here is done) :-)

30 posted on 03/12/2019 2:34:34 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Oatka
😂😂
31 posted on 03/12/2019 4:35:54 PM PDT by weston (As far s I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing)
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To: Oatka

I love it! The Mexican word of the day is nacho. Hillary is still nacho President.


32 posted on 03/12/2019 5:18:44 PM PDT by wjcsux (The hyperventilating of the left means we are winning! (Tagline courtesy of Laz.))
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To: Hot Tabasco

Very good response post, very commendable. And, I posted
among the best things that Trump did is to prevent
Hillary from having the opportunity to inflict her agenda
on us. If you think about it that is pretty yuge!


33 posted on 03/12/2019 6:32:19 PM PDT by Sivad (Demo M/O = infiltrate, overtake, politicize, weaponize)
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To: bitt
I look forward to reading Mr Hanson's book, as well as this one (VDH wrote the forward on Mr Black's)-
34 posted on 03/12/2019 8:47:00 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Some people are deserving of the death penalty.)
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To: bitt
Most voters, admirably or not, do not always believe that their president must be morally perfect to do good, but only that, in practical terms, he must at least appear better than the alternative.

LOL Cutting to the chase... good for Victor Davis Hanson ...

35 posted on 03/12/2019 9:16:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats are attacking Ivanka & Jared ostensibly on security clearances - reality is antisemitism)
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To: LouAvul

No, “dude.” And I’m not alone. He campaigned on the issue of stopping illegal immigration and getting the wall built. That was his agenda. It’s been two years. Two years. And still we have thousands of these animals streaming across our border.

Actually, we have thousands ATTEMPTING to stream across the border. They are being detained and turned back at an unprecedented rate. Of course POTUS has been forced to do things the hard way up till now by sending unprecedented numbers of troops and national guardsmen to the border. In about a year when the wall is completed, most of those troops will be able to return home. Relax dude.


36 posted on 03/12/2019 9:50:23 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: Hot Tabasco

Thumbs up!


37 posted on 03/12/2019 9:52:58 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: LouAvul

What about the Supreme Court case that created the chaos now? Trump policy was those that enter illegally could not claim asylum. Supreme Court said anyone can claim asylum anywhere, any time. Does not matter if they come here legally or illegally. Once the asylum seekers are signed up they are allowed to stay here legally. And they can only be held so many days.


38 posted on 03/12/2019 10:11:01 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: LouAvul; Hot Tabasco; P-Marlowe; rhombus10
No, "dude." And I'm not alone. He campaigned on the issue of stopping illegal immigration and getting the wall built. That was his agenda. It's been two years. Two years. And still we have thousands of these animals streaming across our border.

Look, "dude" he can’t do it alone. He has to do it with support. He’s NOT GETTING IT FROM THE DAMNOCRATS AND THE RINOS. He also has obstructionist judges tossing injunctions left and further left in the way. The wall is being built but not, apparently, on YOUR timeline.

Trump is not a dictator like Obama was trying to be. He has to do it within the rule of law.

39 posted on 03/12/2019 11:17:29 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker
That's not the point of this discourse, "dude." The point is that the article said, "why his agenda so far has been successful"......

Trump was elected because he said he would stop the flow of wetbacks and would build the wall. Two years into his presidency and he has accomplished neither. We've actually got more wets coming in than ever.

His "agenda" was his anti illegal platform. He has not accomplished his agenda. You can easily find any number of threads with many FR posts complaining about it.

The reason why is irrelevant. The point is that his agenda has not been successful.

40 posted on 03/13/2019 6:22:30 AM PDT by LouAvul (Socialism is the logical conclusion of liberalism. Anarchy is the logical conclusion of socialism.)
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