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The Cops Were the Aggressors in This Week's Deadly Houston Drug Raid
Reason ^ | 1-29-19 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/31/2019 8:38:46 AM PST by slumber1

On Monday evening in Houston, a dozen armed men broke into the home of Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas, a middle-aged couple who had lived in the house at 7815 Harding Street for at least two decades. The first man through the door, who was armed with a shotgun, used it to kill one of the couple's dogs. Tuttle responded to the home invasion by grabbing a revolver and shooting the man with the shotgun, who collapsed on a sofa in the living room. As Nicholas tried to disarm the intruder, his accomplices shot her. Tuttle returned fire, and by the end of the shootout he and his wife were both dead. Four of the assailants were hit by gunfire, while a fifth injured his knee.

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To: sparklite2

“Essentially the same story as Cory Maye, who killed a deputy who was the sheriff’s son. It was a no knock raid in the middle of the night at the wrong address”

Essentially the same except a warrant was the only thing in common


181 posted on 01/31/2019 7:39:49 PM PST by Figment
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To: morphing libertarian
never knew libertarians to be anti-police.

They are.

182 posted on 01/31/2019 8:32:39 PM PST by Kazan
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To: wgmalabama
You're a paranoid, Alex Jones listening freak. You're as bad as the Antifa losers.

The police didn't anything wrong. They were attacked by a pit bull. The women that was shot tried to grab a police officer's gun before she was. All that, dumb ass, will always result in a lethal response from the police.

There is reason why the sister of the druggie that was shot apologized to the police. She knew her brother was scumbag. Yet, an idiot like you wants to a victim of him.

183 posted on 01/31/2019 8:37:25 PM PST by Kazan
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To: walkingdead
Look English is English and if you use those words they mean what they mean.

Good grief. You're relying on a biased writer's account of the what happened when he wasn't even there. Unbelievable.

The fact that these two were armed when the police broke is evidence they were hoping to ambush the cops. The sirens and flashers gave them a heads up.

I guarantee if the two people that were killed were black and Al Sharpton were making a stink about it, you and most of the complaining would be siding with the cops.

There won't be a charges pressed against the police and there won't be a trial. No DA would take the case and no jury would convict.

184 posted on 01/31/2019 8:41:23 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan
"Once the officers breached the door and the gunfire began from the suspects, one of the suspects actually retreated momentarily to the back of the room and then that suspect came back and again engaged the officers in gunfire," Acevedo said.

From the press release via Fox. A direct quote - breached doesn't usually mean "knocked at".

Nothing about dog, lights, siren, etc. All undercover (why the chief won't release officers' names).

You don't have to be an antifa sympathizer to be very afraid. And, as is so often the case, what if they had the wrong house?

185 posted on 01/31/2019 8:42:10 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: Kazan

BS


186 posted on 01/31/2019 8:43:22 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Jaded
So we’re all racist now?

This situation isn't any different than the Michael Brown case. The police are no more to blame for the deaths in this case than Darren Wilson was for shooting Michael Brown.

The police were attacked by a pit bull, the woman that got shot tried to disarm a police officer and both were armed from time the officers entered the house despite the fact that the police made it clear who was coming in.

There will be no charges and no trial. And, no outrage from sane people.

187 posted on 01/31/2019 8:44:57 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Jaded
The disabled couple

You're a moron. They were so disabled that managed to shoot five police officers.

188 posted on 01/31/2019 8:46:27 PM PST by Kazan
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To: walkingdead
So theoretically if the officers had just gone up to the door and knocked you believe the residents would’ve shot the officers immediately upon opening the door or something to that affect.

Absolutely, the police officers breaking down the door would be dead. And, some of sickos here would be celebrating, maybe with their local Antifa thug.

189 posted on 01/31/2019 8:48:02 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Abby4116
You don't have to be an antifa sympathizer to be very afraid.

I don't use drugs. I have the sense not to turn a pit bull on police officers. I have the sense not to try to take a gun from a police officer.

That all happened. Do some research.

190 posted on 01/31/2019 8:50:14 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Abby4116

” And, as is so often the case, what if they had the wrong house? “

It is NOT “often the case”,it rarely happens.

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191 posted on 01/31/2019 8:52:54 PM PST by Mears
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To: wgmalabama
You are a boot licking idiot. Damn I can’t think of people I hate more than people like you.

I hate you back! I hate people that side with criminals that attack police officers and make it harder for police to protect the public and recruit new officers.

You're as big a POS as Obama, Sharpton and the Black Lives Matter scum that has made it next to impossible for police to do proactive police work in cities like Baltimore and Ferguson. Those that suffer are law abiding citizens.

192 posted on 01/31/2019 8:54:05 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

“You’re relying on a biased writer’s account of the what happened when he wasn’t even there”

No, those were quotes from Acevedo himself.

“The fact the two were armed....”

No again. First only the man had a gun and last I checked American citizens have every right to be armed, especially in their own homes.

“If they were black....you would side with the cops”

No, yet again. I see all American citizens equally. It would have matter not if they were tiger striped.

“There won’t be any charges pressed against the officers”

Wow see, we can agree on something.

Now that you got that out of your system, and after my many posts understand where I am coming from, can you now explain to everyone why a no knock raid was the better option for a warrant with little to no true evidence? I mean no heroin was found, no 9mm was found, which are the EXACT reasons for the no knock warrant per the documents released?

It seems to me, that all this no knock did, was endanger all involved, while simultaneously stomping on American citizens rights.


193 posted on 01/31/2019 8:58:32 PM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Kazan

Maybe this will help me understand where you are coming from.

Can you describe a situation where a simple knock to serve would be acceptable?

At what point, in your mind, is the threshold for allowing no knock warrants?

Also, for reference:

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Remember, the probable cause came word of mouth from a CI, and the property to be sieved was black tar heroin and a semi auto 9mm, neither of which was found.


194 posted on 01/31/2019 9:21:36 PM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Kazan

As I am a working man, and it is getting late, I will leave you with a quote I found.

“Police-state style assault forces being used to violently enter a persons residence when that person is not actively engaged in violent acts are incompatible with life in a free society.

As it is better a hundred guilty go free than one innocent person be imprisoned. So too is it better a hundred guilty destroy evidence of their guilt than one innocent person’s life be risked or worse ended by an extremely violent breach of the peace initiated by agents of the State.”

Have a good night.


195 posted on 01/31/2019 9:40:38 PM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Kazan

Portugal


196 posted on 01/31/2019 10:03:12 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: walkingdead
As it is better a hundred guilty go free than one innocent person be imprisoned.

What a dumb, liberal cliché. It completely ignores the harm the 100 guilty men are going to do to innocent people.

197 posted on 01/31/2019 10:13:20 PM PST by Kazan
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To: walkingdead

BTW, the two druggie losers that were shot were not innocent. They were hardcore drug users. They unleashed a pit bull on police officers, tried to disarm one and shot at them.


198 posted on 01/31/2019 10:14:56 PM PST by Kazan
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To: walkingdead
Their 4th Amendment rights were violated? lol

The police had valid warrant and they weren't required to knock.

Why shouldn't have they have to knock? Because violent criminals would ambush officers if they had. Is that really hard to understand?

199 posted on 01/31/2019 10:17:16 PM PST by Kazan
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To: walkingdead
No, those were quotes from Acevedo himself.

Wrong. There were no quotes regarding when the siren and flashing lights were turned on. You quotes the writer of the article and he used the word meanwhile.

200 posted on 01/31/2019 10:18:32 PM PST by Kazan
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