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The Cops Were the Aggressors in This Week's Deadly Houston Drug Raid
Reason ^ | 1-29-19 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/31/2019 8:38:46 AM PST by slumber1

On Monday evening in Houston, a dozen armed men broke into the home of Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas, a middle-aged couple who had lived in the house at 7815 Harding Street for at least two decades. The first man through the door, who was armed with a shotgun, used it to kill one of the couple's dogs. Tuttle responded to the home invasion by grabbing a revolver and shooting the man with the shotgun, who collapsed on a sofa in the living room. As Nicholas tried to disarm the intruder, his accomplices shot her. Tuttle returned fire, and by the end of the shootout he and his wife were both dead. Four of the assailants were hit by gunfire, while a fifth injured his knee.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida; US: Maryland; US: Missouri; US: Texas
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To: House Atreides
One thing I guarantee is if the two that were shot were black, you'd be backing the officers.

The police are no more in the wrong here than in the Michael Brown case.

The police ambushed by a couple of druggies. There is not a jury in the country that will convict the officers. I doubt any charges will be filed.

But, all you can do is throw out insults rather defend your position.

Now, go and buy a black outfit, a bandanna and apply for your Antifa membership.

And, yes, most conservatives are pro-law enforcement.

161 posted on 01/31/2019 4:14:04 PM PST by Kazan
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To: House Atreides
Try answering a question: Why did the sister of the guy that shot apologize to the police officers? That ought to tell you something. She's not out demanding justice and threatening lawsuits. She knows her brother was scum.
162 posted on 01/31/2019 4:20:01 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

I see, you believe it was an ambush.

So theoretically if the officers had just gone up to the door and knocked you believe the residents would’ve shot the officers immediately upon opening the door or something to that affect.

Fair enough, but I would counter that all warrants served come with that same danger. Heck, in theory every stop a traffic officer makes is a possible ambush situation.

Due to this, are we as Americans, expected to give up some basic rights, to purchase that safety?

Serving a search warrant should be done with a knock at the door. Heck, it wasn’t until 1995, that a no knock warrant was allowed for the purpose of getting to evidence before it was destroyed (which I assume is the reason this no knock was approved)

Serving a search warrant, with a simple knock on the door, is sufficient and has been sufficient for many years. To go any further is to erode the rights of all Americans.


163 posted on 01/31/2019 4:30:32 PM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Mr.Unique

Aren’t you just the clever one! Oink, indeed. Now, do you have anything cogent to add to the discussion? Or are you just a drive-by moron?


164 posted on 01/31/2019 4:32:53 PM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Lurker

It’s called “building a case”.


165 posted on 01/31/2019 4:33:59 PM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: L,TOWM

Well, dude, if you don’t like the laws, get them changed. As to whether or not you are harming anyone, apparently those who DO vote disagree with you.

BTW, just so you know, I DO vote, and once a criminal denies ME MY rights, I cease to care about his.


166 posted on 01/31/2019 4:38:21 PM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Kazan

Wrong
Wrong
and
Wrong

The disabled couple that lived in the did not ambush them.

They lived in the house for 20 years The warrant doesn’t even have their names. The media had to dig up the background of the deceased.

The “female druggie” wasn’t armed, neither was her dog.


167 posted on 01/31/2019 4:41:35 PM PST by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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To: Drew68

I completely agree.


168 posted on 01/31/2019 4:41:54 PM PST by Blue House Sue
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To: ebshumidors

Apparently, it was the same address as on the warrant, but again, we need to wait until the investigation is complete.

There is no such thing as a NON-corrupt government.


169 posted on 01/31/2019 4:43:09 PM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Kazan

So we’re all racist now?


170 posted on 01/31/2019 4:43:29 PM PST by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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To: Kazan

“you apparently want to assume the worst about the officers.”

Look English is English and if you use those words they mean what they mean.

Look I would not want to be on either side of that door. Which is why we need these no knocks to stop. It always is a loose loose situation.

If you are the officer, you have no idea what the owner is going to do when you kick in his front door. On the flip side, if you are the owner, when that door suddenly gets kicked in you are automatically in fight or flight stage. If it is your home the only answer is fight, especially if people entering are plain clothed.

No, these no knock warrants are no good, they are dangerous for all involved. And they have been on the rise. In ‘81 there were 3,000, by 2005 there were 50,000.


171 posted on 01/31/2019 4:45:00 PM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Kazan

You mean do not be accused by a neighbor of selling drugs.


172 posted on 01/31/2019 4:47:20 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Red Badger

I meant does what was known and not just alleged warrant the level of force used? And even if they were dealing drugs was the killing justified?


173 posted on 01/31/2019 4:49:08 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Jaded

Once you embrace it, they can no longer
bludgeon you with it. The most effective
response to being called a racist is, “So what?”


174 posted on 01/31/2019 4:49:17 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

It was a PITBULL- that’s not a dog. It IS a weapon. I will repeat, I am not a cop or a criminal, but if I am rushed by one of these land-sharks, I WILL shoot it.


175 posted on 01/31/2019 4:49:37 PM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: 13Sisters76

Haha, land-sharks. I’m gonna use that one!


176 posted on 01/31/2019 4:56:26 PM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Lurker

Drugs were found not just the drug the police were there to seize.


177 posted on 01/31/2019 4:58:28 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Kazan

You are a boot licking idiot. Damn I can’t think of people I hate more than people like you. You will get on the train without a whimper. Even worse, you will cheer when the liberals/progressives force your neighbors onto train cars heading to death camps.

Plains clothes no knock raid (warrant or not) is the definition of a home invasion. Idiot. Disgusting idiot. Wow. Are you really so stupid based on all the comments made on this thread?

No - your a cop, family of a cop. Your on the other side of this. You don’t care. You know it’s evil and are ok with it.


178 posted on 01/31/2019 5:48:23 PM PST by wgmalabama (Mittens is the new Juan. Go away mittens!)
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To: Kazan

never knew libertarians to be anti-police.


179 posted on 01/31/2019 5:52:48 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: slumber1

Drug dealers or Roger Stone?


180 posted on 01/31/2019 5:59:13 PM PST by Fledermaus
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