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Virginia wants to allow guns in churches in wake of deadly shootings
Fox News ^ | 1/28/19 | Caleb Parke

Posted on 01/28/2019 1:08:22 PM PST by AT7Saluki

To Republicans, not allowing religious houses to arm themselves is like leaving them as lambs to a potential slaughter. But for Democrats, lifting the ban would mean putting worshippers at risk of themselves.

But Democrats saw it in a different light... "We are saying with this bill, we no longer trust in God," Virginia Democratic Sen. Lionell Spruill said. "We ... foolishly took prayer out of schools ... and now we want to take God out of church. If there's anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let's depend on God on this one. Let's not take God out of church."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; church; guns; virginia
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1 posted on 01/28/2019 1:08:22 PM PST by AT7Saluki
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To: AT7Saluki

Churches already allow guns in Virginia. Police have them.

It’s a matter of who is allowed to have a gun in church.


2 posted on 01/28/2019 1:09:56 PM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: AT7Saluki

Quakers were like that and to this day there still are Quakers.

It needs to be hammered out in each church. It would be easier and more logical to go down the pacifist road if its advocates were not for heavy government domination of other things.


3 posted on 01/28/2019 1:11:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: AT7Saluki

Lionell. Bubba. God gave us the guns so we can protect ourselves in church. TRUST ME.


4 posted on 01/28/2019 1:12:07 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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To: AT7Saluki

When it comes to most rational ideas, like allowing guns in church, democrats, liberals, progressives, etc., are fools. Jesus told Peter to bring a sword (the gun of their time). Fools, I tell you, very foolish fools.


5 posted on 01/28/2019 1:12:21 PM PST by Tudorfly (All things are possible within the will of God.)
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To: AT7Saluki

If Virginia allows concealed carry, what is the problem? If a church welcomes people who carry....case closed.


6 posted on 01/28/2019 1:13:40 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: AppyPappy

Government shouldn’t be arm twisted into setting church policies. This is something that churches should be allowed to hammer out for themselves, whether pacifist or bristling with weapons.


7 posted on 01/28/2019 1:14:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: AT7Saluki

EVERY church should have armed security. There are a lot of insane leftists out there.

Is it a lack of faith in God to own a fire extinguisher? Or to wear your seatbelt? Absolutely not.


8 posted on 01/28/2019 1:14:52 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: AT7Saluki

If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church.
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I trust God, it’s the nutcases that I don’t trust.
Some of them are targeting churches.
This person is nuts.


9 posted on 01/28/2019 1:14:59 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Tudorfly

Peter was anxious, and this was Jesus’ concession to Peter. Events proved that Mr. Braggadocio chopped off the centurion’s ear, which Jesus hinted was not a good idea for the sake of the gospel.


10 posted on 01/28/2019 1:15:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: AT7Saluki

It should be completely up to the churches as to what is or is not allowed within their establishments.


11 posted on 01/28/2019 1:15:24 PM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If Virginia allows concealed carry, what is the problem? If a church welcomes people who carry....case closed.


12 posted on 01/28/2019 1:15:38 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

That’s the idea — it ought to be a local church policy decision, for good or for ill.

Be that as it may, I have distinct sympathy towards the supernaturalist view.


13 posted on 01/28/2019 1:18:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: AT7Saluki

So I am to take it that Lionel Spruill does not lock his door at night and trusts God to keep him and his family safe.


14 posted on 01/28/2019 1:19:15 PM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: AT7Saluki

My uncle concealed carry every day of his life until he died at age 91. He never had a permit and he traveled to almost all the states.


15 posted on 01/28/2019 1:19:24 PM PST by rexthecat
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To: bubbacluck; lightman

It’s always possible.

For about three years I was with a church in Omaha where the pastor had been stalked by a weird person, and Nebraska has church choice on arms bearing. Anyhow, they chose to institute guards. As the band pianist, I kidded about keeping a rifle under the piano (didn’t actually do it though).

We never had a stalker incident. However something weird happened when I moved from Nebraska to Florida. A petty dispute arose about an agreement to help me clean up my apartment, and the pastor not only berated me that the situation was worse than he imagined but also declared that I wouldn’t “destroy him.” And he proposed doing something unbiblical. Whoa... things didn’t have to get all drama queen like that. I was heartbroken at first to part like that, but later thought the good Lord was looking out for me.

I am just meaning to suggest that there may be deeper factors afoot in a church that has a penchant for going armed — it’s seldom if ever that something untoward happens literally out of the blue for no ultimate reason. Christ is real, and generally will protect His own unless it is for a martyrdom.

But as far as secular policy — keep governments out of it.


16 posted on 01/28/2019 1:35:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: AT7Saluki

It won’t happen, ‘RAT Gov Northam will veto.


17 posted on 01/28/2019 1:56:47 PM PST by sportscaster ("LET'S ROLL")
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To: AT7Saluki

The law strikes at religious liberty. The state should not decide if it allows guns in churches. Churches should. Treating Churches more restrictively than other private property is wrong.


18 posted on 01/28/2019 2:04:51 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: AT7Saluki; All
Virginia used to require carry in churches:


In the early colonies, people were sometimes required to be armed at church. In "Origins and Development of the Second Amendment", I found a reference to colonial requirements to carry guns in church from the Virginia laws of arms bearing.

All men that are fitting to bear arms, shall bring their pieces to the church...
The law dated to 1631.  David Hardy found it in the 1823 work by William Henning, "The Statutes at large, being a collection of all the laws of Virginia, Vol. 1 at 127, 173-174."

19 posted on 01/28/2019 2:09:35 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: AT7Saluki

Nobody says anything where I fellowship. But the majority do carry. As that great philosopher once said: “I pity the fool that tries anything”


20 posted on 01/28/2019 2:43:42 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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