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The Ultimate Irony of the 'Native American Elder' and the MAGA Hat Kids
American Thinker ^ | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 01/23/2019 1:30:03 AM PST by RoosterRedux

What did happen was that Talking Bull (Nathan Phillips), a professional agitator and American Indian separatist, was given a forum in which to spew nonsensical ideas. Here’s a prime example: “I heard them [the students] saying ‘build the wall, build that wall,’” he said,” as Vibe reported. “This is indigenous land. We’re not supposed to have walls here. Before anyone came here there were no walls….”

(Actually, the Indians built plenty of walls, as old ruins attest.)

But something occurs to me here: If the Indians had effective border security, perhaps they wouldn’t have been overrun and conquered.

So, what’s the message? “We lost the continent…and we can show you how to lose it, too!”?

Talking Bull followed up his anti-wall blather by adding that American Indians “never even had prisons,” either.

Well, most of them also didn’t have the wheel, a written language or anything beyond stone tools. What’s the point?

Mine is this: We all could conceivably wax romantic about our primitive ancestors’ days. Yet it’s silly. I don’t want to live as my savage European forebears did in, let’s say, 500 B.C. any more than Talking Bull desires to live as American Indians did in 1500 A.D. Typical of activists, Talking Bull is all talk.

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1 posted on 01/23/2019 1:30:03 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
But something occurs to me here: If the Indians had effective border security, perhaps they wouldn’t have been overrun and conquered

LOL & ouch!


2 posted on 01/23/2019 1:36:07 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: RoosterRedux
Before anyone came here there were no walls

Well literally that is true before any homo sapient came to the hemisphere there were no walls, just glaciers and animules.

the native folks built plenty in the SW and elsewhere. When De Soto showed up in the area around Rome, Ga he found the natives ensconced behind high walls of pine trees with the tops sharpened. These people had firing platforms and knew how to make a sort of catapult to fire heavy rocks and containers of burning pitch while the rest of the warriors let loose with showers of arrows.

Chief Lotta Bull is full of it.

3 posted on 01/23/2019 1:43:57 AM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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containers of burning pitch...Rome, Georgia?

Yikes. Greek fire...Rome, Georgia.

Sounds like the North GA Injuns were more worldly than they let on.;-)

4 posted on 01/23/2019 2:07:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

People forget that America always had a wall. It was a geographic wall called the Atlantic Ocean. The only way to pass through that wall was on a ship. Your destination was a screening process to make the passage complete.


5 posted on 01/23/2019 2:29:38 AM PST by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Yeah, but slavery was common among the “Noble Indigenous Natives”!


6 posted on 01/23/2019 3:05:51 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Disarming Liberals...Real Common Sense Gun Control!)
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To: RoosterRedux
Talking Bull followed up his anti-wall blather by adding that American Indians “never even had prisons,” either.

American Indians did not need "prisons".

A Fate Worse Than Death; Tales of American Indian Captives

7 posted on 01/23/2019 3:28:43 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: RoosterRedux
It's not happy reading, I was merely supporting your post. Cheers!
8 posted on 01/23/2019 3:30:13 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: RoosterRedux

Talking Bull will probably end up like Ira Hayes


9 posted on 01/23/2019 3:44:34 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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VIDEO: Glenn Beck debunks the biggest lies surrounding the Covington controversy in this minute-by-minute breakdown

Side Note: I don’t care about how anyone feels about Glenn Beck and I don’t want to know…

10 posted on 01/23/2019 4:16:31 AM PST by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: RoosterRedux

I stated this yesterday, but it bears repeating:

How come an old Indian is called an “Elder”, and I’m just an “old white guy”?


11 posted on 01/23/2019 4:44:38 AM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: RoosterRedux
Some "savage european forebears"

Thales of Miletos (624-545)
Anaximander (610-545)
Xenophanes of Colophon (570-478)
Pythagoras of Samos (570-490)
Heraclitus of Ephesus (540-480)
Parmenedes of Elea (515-450)

Need I go on?

12 posted on 01/23/2019 4:45:27 AM PST by John Locke
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I just want to know has anyone seen Elizabeth Warren without any make up on?

Nathan Phillips, if that is his/her real name?


13 posted on 01/23/2019 4:46:02 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: RoosterRedux

“a professional agitator”

That’s the phrase I was looking for.


14 posted on 01/23/2019 4:46:33 AM PST by McGruff
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To: RoosterRedux

Talking Bull is no-longer Native American. He has strayed very, very far from the path. Admittedly I am only moderately familiar with Navajo customs and culture, not his tribe or the tribe he at least claims affiliation with. But from a Navajo perspective, what he did - getting in those kids faces, violating their personal space - was extremely disrespectful and insulting. Worse, he was promoting disharmony. His apparent activist actions over the past years are very much against Navajo values - taking the white man’s path. Were he a Navajo, his family would pull him aside, counsel him, and schedule a sing for him to cure him of the evil that has found its way inside him. He is worse than any carpetbagger trying to use Native Americans for political gain - he is doing it to his own people.


15 posted on 01/23/2019 4:48:13 AM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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To: Caipirabob

Tough World, folks.


16 posted on 01/23/2019 4:57:20 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Caipirabob
As I always do, I feel liberated by reading the truth, no matter how incredibly brutal it might be.

Same for this article. Thx for posting it.

17 posted on 01/23/2019 5:03:20 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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His ancestors likely had slaves or were slaves. That what Indians did


18 posted on 01/23/2019 5:06:26 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Princess Gray Beaver, for President?)
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“People forget that America always had a wall. It was a geographic wall called the Atlantic Ocean”

Archaelogical sites and findings have given way to the thought that oceans and ocean travel rather than being “scientifically” thought of as obstacles are now considered to have been something more akin to super highways. Migration patterns seem to have bore this out. Probably more West to East from Asia than East to West. European ventures eastward may have been thwarted somewhat by prevailing winds and currents. But coastal ventures south along the African continent were quite frequent as were coastal ventures northward from Europe.

Navigation was hindered for centuries because a reliable timepiece was needed to plot longitude. That alone, took centuries. Adventurers had no idea that they could simply sail eastward from European ports and make landfall. The Berbers (renowned mariners) were some of the first, perhaps even Egyptians.

The genome project has tied alot of this thought together. Especially in the Pacific, and along the coasts of the North and South American continents.

The vastness of the Pacific and the islands settled over great distances demonstrates seamanship and navigation accomplishnents that have passed into obscurity over the millennia.


19 posted on 01/23/2019 5:11:20 AM PST by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed it wright.)
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To: mkleesma
How come an old Indian is called an “Elder”, and I’m just an “old white guy”?

They aren't always. An 'Elder' is usually an older member of the tribe, who's respected within the tribe for their wisdom and experience. Some groups only include people who are part of the ruling council as elders, others any older person. There's some article floating around where Nathan's tribe's chief basically says he's just a good-for-nothing drunk.
20 posted on 01/23/2019 5:15:09 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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