Posted on 01/16/2019 8:19:33 AM PST by marktwain
Boston Mayor Martin Walsh wants to mandate that Doctors teach patients about gun safety. It appears to be another Orwellian definition. Gun safety in these circumstances seems to mean getting rid of guns. There is no mention of using known gun safety experts who have been working on the subject for decades. From bizjournals.com:
Involving doctors in gun safety: This act would require medical professionals to ask patients about guns in the home, and bring up the topics of gun safety. The goal, Boston Police Commissioner William Gross said, is to identify those at risk for domestic violence, suicide or child access to guns in order to guide people to mental health counseling, resources or other help. “We’re just asking them to help identify ways to save lives,” Gross said.
The fact that a patient owns guns would not be put in their medical record, and is not intended to have physicians help solve crimes.
Chief of Health and Human Services Marty Martinez said that while the program is already common practice at many of the city’s community health centers, legislation would broaden the program statewide.
The claim is the ownership of guns will not be put in a patients medical records. If not, how will the ownership of guns help to “guide people to mental health counseling, resources, or other help”? Maybe the information will be stored somewhere else.
(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...
“Would gun ownership then get HIPAA protection?”
Interesting thought.... I would think so.
Fine. They can all say NO.
That answer will simply get you put down as a gun owner in the records. The correct answer is "no". Any other answer will go down as a "yes".
Don’t patients first have the right to know the rate of alcoholism, drug addiction, domestic violence and child molestation among the nation’s physicians first? This might be bad enough without making doctors agents of the surveillance state.
Do we get to ask the doctor if he/she has stopped beating their spouse yet?
Lie to them.
Everybody lies to you.
Unsure why so many FReepers want their firearm ownership status known.
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Being right and being snarky are both deep with this crowd.
Crazy.
All of my guns were lost in a tragic boating accident.
Correct answer to “do you own guns”?
“No,” or perhaps: “No, those are dangerous.” Don’t get irate. Don’t get cute. Just a simple negative answer, perhaps with a bit of fear because guns sometimes jump out and kill people (especially the scary black assault ones with a threaded barrel or a bayonet lug). If the question is mandatory, stop there. If you’re in a state where your doctor is asking because your doctor supports tyranny, still stop there but also find a new doctor.
If the concern is that the doctor will wrongfully check the yes box, then (a)a week later, or next time you’re in the dr office, ask to see your full medical chart to confirm what they marked (b)if they did check the wrong box, you’ve chosen a dishonest doctor, not good for your health over all. Time to sue them and find another honest doc.
“Doctor, whether I do or don’t own a gun, gun ownership is an inalienable right, verified by the constitution, and respectfully, whether one owns a gun or not, isn’t anyone else’s business-
Patients come to doctors for health issues, not constitutional issues, and it is a breach of trust for doctors to try to pressure patients into answering questions about constitutional issues, especially when answering such questions will result in being put on a federal watch list if one should answer yes, or be excused from a federal watch list if answer no.
It is My belief that if someone ever decide to own a gun, that if they decide to undergo gun safety training, that it should be done by programs run by trained gun safety instructors, not doctors”
You haven’t answered yes or no- and made it clear you are not going to answer- It would be against the law for a doctor to put yes in their computer, and they could be sued into oblivion if they do- See the following:
Medical Malpractice and Standard of Care
Medical malpractice claims don’t only cover errors in diagnosis and treatment. Once you’ve established a doctor-patient relationship, the doctor owes you a duty of care and treatment with the degree of skill, care, and diligence as possessed by, or expected of, a reasonably competent physician under the same or similar circumstances. Part of that duty of care is to be forthcoming with your diagnosis, treatment options and prognosis, as reasonably competent physicians would not lie to their patients.
Therefore, lying to a patient could be proof of fault in a medical malpractice claim. And the failure to obtain a patient’s “informed consent” before administering a procedure or treatment is a form of medical negligence, and could even be grounds for a battery lawsuit.
https://blogs.findlaw.com/injured/2016/10/can-you-sue-a-doctor-for-lying.html
[[Oops! They accidentally misheard you. They thought you said YES. See how that goes?]]
That’s malpractice-
That is what I wrote on every page of the long form 2000 census they sent me. I got back a nastygram telling me that I had to fill it all out or be fined.
I still have the second one they sent me-—& I didn’t fill it out.
You wouldn’t believe the questions on the long form.
IF a person asks me this in today’s world, I just tell them:
“You can come prowling around MY property without my permission & find out for yourself”.
Pretty good article by a doctor:
“University of Chicago economics professor Steven Levitt has also warned about excessive fear mongering about gun ownership. In their best seller Freakonomics, he and co-author Stephen Dubner note that a child is 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident than a gun accident.
Yet the AAP does not tell parents to “NEVER bring your child to a swimming pool,” nor does it advocate “the strongest possible regulations of swimming pool ownership.” Rather, it recommends that parents supervise children around swimming pools and follow basic rules of water safety....
Doctors already have a professional and legal responsibility to notify the authorities if they believe patients pose an imminent threat to others or themselves. But routine inquiry about gun ownership goes far beyond this obligation. Such inquiries will instead only offend and alienate many responsible gun owners, compromising the trust essential to the doctor-patient relationship. Doctors should not put themselves in a position where patients view them as willing (or unwitting) agents of the government working against their interests.”
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2013/02/doctors-patients-guns-conservative-case.html
From the 14th Amendment:
"Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
"Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
Note that the 14th Amendment was recently used to reprimand UC Berkeley for abridging free speech for example.
UC Berkeley settles landmark free speech lawsuit, will pay $70,000 to conservative group
H O W E V E R …
Patriots also need to elect a patriot Congress in 2020 elections that will not only support PDJT’s vision for MAGA, but will promise to exercise its 14th Amendment power to make penal laws that discourage state actors from abridging constitutionally enumerated protections.
Insights welcome.
"...That’s malpractice! Sue your doctor! Even one you’ve had for years! Lawsuit! Go to court and have your gunownership known in the courtroom!..."
Unless it is about what goes in you, what comes out of you or a symptom, decline to answer.
Not just on guns, on every that is not one of the three.
It establishes you as a contrary coot.
Otherwise, "None of your business" gets noted as, "obviously has an arsenal and is planing to go on a spree. Red Flag!"
or you could NOT lie, and NOT answer the question legally- and be protected against a doctor lying about your answer via malpractice laws-
Pull out your phone bring up a freep reply box and ginger the suggested correction options... read the answer.
Or go to text messaging andput your message in vocal texting... start speaking in tongues read the doctor the text that comes up.
Example:
“I am going on. It was great. The best way for the best way for the best way for the first time in the morning. I have a great day. I have a great day, and a few weeks. The first one. I have a 82. I have been 2. If I don’t know how much you love me and 2 I have a lot of the most important things to do it, I am not going anywhere for you”
Maybe the doctor will up your meds to the good stuff!
“I’m going to say ‘no’.”
Simple and factual (regarding the intent to say no).
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