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Tucker Carlson Has Sparked the Most Interesting Debate in Conservative Politics
Vox ^ | 1/10/19 | Jane Coaston

Posted on 01/11/2019 8:13:59 AM PST by ek_hornbeck

Last Wednesday, the conservative talk show host Tucker Carlson started a fire on the right after airing a prolonged monologue on his show that was, in essence, an indictment of American capitalism.

America’s “ruling class,” Carlson says, are the “mercenaries” behind the failures of the middle class — including sinking marriage rates — and “the ugliest parts of our financial system.” He went on: “Any economic system that weakens and destroys families is not worth having. A system like that is the enemy of a healthy society.”

He concluded with a demand for “a fair country. A decent country. A cohesive country. A country whose leaders don’t accelerate the forces of change purely for their own profit and amusement.”

The monologue was stunning in itself, an incredible moment in which a Fox News host stated that for generations, “Republicans have considered it their duty to make the world safe for banking, while simultaneously prosecuting ever more foreign wars.” More broadly, though, Carlson’s position and the ensuing controversy reveals an ongoing and nearly unsolvable tension in conservative politics about the meaning of populism, a political ideology that Trump campaigned on but Carlson argues he may not truly understand.

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TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: capitalism; conservatism; populism; tuckercarlson
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To: Lurkinanloomin; ek_hornbeck

“Globalist corporatism is what Tucker was talking about, not American capitalism.”

There was a time when there was actually a distinction.

No more.

Main Street is being killed by Wall Street. Globalist Corporatism is about all that is left.

ESPECIALLY in banking/finance.


21 posted on 01/11/2019 8:29:09 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Lurkinanloomin; All

In other words, collectivist neo-feudalism, aka socialism.

One of the goals of the communists (Goal #37 on the list of 45 goals for the USA) was to “(i)nfiltrate and gain control of big business”. This is indeed what Carlson refers to here as well as the effects thereof, not “American capitalism”.


22 posted on 01/11/2019 8:30:44 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: ek_hornbeck

“Any economic system that weakens and destroys families is not worth having. A system like that is the enemy of a healthy society.”

Is he talking about feminism?


23 posted on 01/11/2019 8:34:15 AM PST by aquila48
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To: Olog-hai

Capturing both political parties certainly helped.

Bush League Republicans MUST become extinct before the Republic does.


24 posted on 01/11/2019 8:34:20 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ek_hornbeck

The way I’ve always viewed it is there are some people who work to achieve more than others. Consequently, they reap more. Are we supposed to penalize these people because they work harder or achieve more than others? I grew up in a lower-middle class family, and I worked my butt off to better myself and get to where I am now. I worked my life according to one axiom: you work the first 40 hrs a week for the company, and every hour you work after that is what gets you ahead. I personally take offense to whiners who say I’m a problem because I don’t feel like I should freely hand out the fruits of my labor to those who think they deserve it just because they take a breath every five seconds. In this world, you reap what you sow as long as you can keep the crows and weasels out of it.

By the way, Hannity is right when he says that when you start tightening the screws on the working wealthy, they start getting tighter with their money. Just look at how the Obama administration almost destroyed the private aviation industry.


25 posted on 01/11/2019 8:34:54 AM PST by eastexsteve
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To: ek_hornbeck

Capitalism is a term owned by Marx and his followers. I never use the word. I prefer Free Market Economy.


26 posted on 01/11/2019 8:36:29 AM PST by The_Harlequin
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Deep State Globalist corporatism is what Tucker was talking about, not American capitalism.
27 posted on 01/11/2019 8:38:39 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Liberals/Democrats/GOPe's 2019 Strategy, mantra, plan = 'No Borders, No Walls, No USA at All!')
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To: Pravious

America’s capitalism is no longer freedom capitalism

Its government sponsored, political, leftist crony capitalism.

Government takes >50% of our GDP. It picks winners and losers. It supports very wealthy people to meddle in politics. It incurs massive debt in our printed, fiat currency, which burdens every citizen.


28 posted on 01/11/2019 8:40:12 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Lurkinanloomin
And that capturing was achieved in large measure even by the end of the 1950s. The first two chapters of The Conscience of a Conservative are largely about that.
29 posted on 01/11/2019 8:40:25 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Red Badger
Capitalism will never go away. It is a natural state of business.

Capitalism harnesses the human desire to get stuff.  Unless human nature changes, which was the objective of 'Soviet Man,' capitalism will never go away.

Socialism will always die under its own weight wherever it pops up.

Socialism flows from the temptation to live off the labor of others.  Unless human nature changes, socialism will never go away.


30 posted on 01/11/2019 8:41:00 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

in essence, an indictment of American capitalism. “

Capitalism is a tool. No more, no less.

It was about how corporations and government are working together to plow under the middle class, and leave them as just cogs in a nation that doesn’t belong to them anymore.

I will admit, it made me think


31 posted on 01/11/2019 8:41:30 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: The_Harlequin

Especially since the ten planks of communism make it plain that the revolution would institute “state capitalism”.


32 posted on 01/11/2019 8:41:42 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: PapaBear3625
Cultural conservatism is a dead issue right now, because the culture has moved so much, there is little left to conserve. We need to ROLL BACK much of the changes

That is a Herculean task. And likely a very distasteful one. How does one get a bunch of Libertines who have strayed off the reservation to get back in line?

The answers aren't pretty. Pinochet comes to mind.


33 posted on 01/11/2019 8:41:47 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PGR88

Yup. Capitalism is no longer capitalism. It’s all basically a scrum to see who can succeed in getting government to tilt the table in their direction.


34 posted on 01/11/2019 8:42:34 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Pravious
It's interesting that you mention that particular problem. It's actually the same question many leaders in this country identified as a problem back in the 1830s.

As it turns out, some of the founding principles of this country may ultimately be seen as fatal defect after all. This country has never had much of a common bond at all -- which kind of weighs against any idea of a "nation" as that term has been understood throughout human history. It was almost a natural progression for this country to devolve into something that was built on the lowest common denominators: radical secularism and the U.S. dollar.

35 posted on 01/11/2019 8:45:56 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: yesthatjallen

When once great companies become just subsidiaries of some barely recognizable global umbrella company, then we cant be shocked when they have no loyalty to the nation.

Look at the UK and Germany. Many of their great companies are owned by people from Asia now with just the company’s name being the only British and German thing about them.


36 posted on 01/11/2019 8:46:29 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: ek_hornbeck

Tucker reflects the ignorance of America...like the democrats who have identified the wrong Targets...so has Tucker....(and so many other conservatives too)

For me, the deep state is real and few folks seem to understand who and what that means. (Actually it seems that they (the conservatives) don’t want to know the “Truth”.

This unwillingness will lead to the end of America as we know it....


37 posted on 01/11/2019 8:47:55 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: VanDeKoik
At some point in my adult life I began to question the whole idea of a "middle class" entirely.

It occurred to me that this "middle class" was largely a creation of a political/economic system of the industrial age -- when industry was wedded to government to create and maintain a working class that would never have come into existence on its own.

With that in mind, I'm not so sure this thing we call the "middle class" is: (A) real, and (B) a good thing.

38 posted on 01/11/2019 8:50:22 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: Pollster1

That’s not exactly an ‘opposing view’, it actually reinforces.

My statement that “Capitalism will never go away. It is a natural state of business.”, is talking about the same people Heinlein was referring to as the ‘creators’.

The ‘socialists’ are the ones who drive them out................


39 posted on 01/11/2019 8:52:43 AM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Red Badger

Right on!


40 posted on 01/11/2019 8:53:09 AM PST by fision
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