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A Forest of Bare Branches
Steyn On-line ^ | January 5, 2019 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/05/2019 2:03:16 PM PST by Twotone

In 2006 I wrote an international bestseller about demography. Which is harder to do than you might think. But it was leavened with Dean Martin gags and whatnot. Nevertheless, it made some big-picture points:

Will China be the hyperpower of the 21st century? Answer: No. Its population will get old before it's got rich.

That's a cute line. I've been using it since the dawn of the millennium and I've been interested to watch it catch on. A few years back, I had the pleasure of hearing Henry Kissinger use it: It sounds so much more geopolitically persuasive in his gravelly voice. And the point is a serious one: Japan's demographic crisis began after they'd got rich, which is the better way to arrange things. In China, alas, the statistics are catching up with Steynian doom-mongering:

China's population shrank last year for the first time in 70 years, experts said, warning of a "demographic crisis" that puts pressure on the country's slowing economy...

The number of live births nationwide in 2018 fell by 2.5 million year-on-year, contrary to a predicted increase of 790,000 births, according to analysis by U.S.-based academic Yi Fuxian.

Yi is at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and he's been tracking just how old China's getting:

China's median age was 22 in 1980. By 2018, it was 40. That will rise to 46 in 2030 and 56 in 2050. In the US, the median age was 30 in 1980 and 38 in 2018. In 2030, it will be 40, and 44 in 2050. India, by comparison, had a median age of 20 in 1980 and 28 in 2018.

(Excerpt) Read more at steynonline.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; demography; onechildpolicy

1 posted on 01/05/2019 2:03:16 PM PST by Twotone
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2 posted on 01/05/2019 2:16:13 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Twotone
Its population will get old before it's got rich.
That's a cute line.

Aside from the atrocious grammar... I don't get it.

3 posted on 01/05/2019 2:19:41 PM PST by grobdriver (BUILD KATE'S WALL!)
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To: grobdriver

It won’t having the dynamic growth of human capital to take advantage of economic strength.
It wont be able to man the machine.


4 posted on 01/05/2019 2:29:15 PM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: carriage_hill

A society grows strong when old men plant their wealth and knowlegde in a free country, and young men and women of strong character have the freedom to pursue their dreams in a free country.


5 posted on 01/05/2019 2:33:34 PM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: Macoozie

+1.
A tad too long for a tagline.
But you could build a nice article around its theme.


6 posted on 01/05/2019 2:36:35 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Twotone

An arresting line:

“it’s easier for the state to demolish the family than to rebuild it.”


7 posted on 01/05/2019 2:37:37 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: grobdriver

A growing population serves a growing economy....without one, eventually you won’t have the other.

Western countries, and Japan, have seen their population growth slow down, long after they got rich. China is not rich yet, but, their population growth is slowing down already...almost assuring they will stay a 3rd World country.


8 posted on 01/05/2019 2:53:20 PM PST by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG...)
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To: grobdriver

Think of getting old without resources - for medical care, any kind of care. Steyn alluded to the Japanese doing it the right way. They got wealthy & then old. They’re getting care from robots already, but can afford them.

I’m currently taking care of my 93-year old mother & a disabled older sister. I did not have kids. I wonder who will take care of me when I’m no longer able. Smith & Wesson, I think.


9 posted on 01/05/2019 2:55:37 PM PST by Twotone
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Gee Two Tone, hows about social security and Medicare. Not Smith and Wesson. Maybe a part time job? Come on guy, have some faith! Sensible food and study up on how to keep the blood vessels healthy.


10 posted on 01/05/2019 3:04:27 PM PST by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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Children in China are expected to care for parents and grandparents. No one wants to get married when they will have to care for 4 parents and 8 grandparents.


11 posted on 01/05/2019 3:19:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Twitter is Trump's laser pointer and the media are all cats.)
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To: Twotone
Thanks for the post. I have been posting about this for years.

China's great leap forward was off the abyss. The one child policy inverted the population pyramid in one generation.

Each one child family now has four parents and eight grand parents. Twelve very imminent dependents without a social safety net for healthcare, expenses or food.

The Chinese would not discuss this issue in public even 12 years ago during my travels there. In private they would still fall back to the rationalization and dilemma of a 1.4 billion population.

Now couple this with ongoing crop failures and the need to begin importing food (including rice) from the US and one can see who is winning on the trade war.

I believe the Chinese military will be the most dangerous during the next 5 years as internal pressures build. We can see the increasing totalitarianism now with the social media score phenomena. It is going to get much worse.

David DuByne of adapt 2030 has repeatedly demonstrated the problems with Chinese dynasties. During every Grand Solar Minimum the dynasties collapse. How many people realize we are now entering the Eddy Minimum?
12 posted on 01/05/2019 3:25:40 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Chinese Communist Party murdered somewhere around a hundred million of their own people to maintain power.

What if they decide that it’s necessary to kill most of the non working elderly ?


13 posted on 01/05/2019 3:40:15 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Go to a casino sometime (just about anywhere). A lot of the aging Chinese population seems to have come to the US.


14 posted on 01/05/2019 3:44:45 PM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: Trumpet 1

:-)

I’m trying to remain positive & I do exercise three times a week at a gym, including a 1 hour ‘silver sneakers-type’ class. But I’m 62 now. Will I still be doing that in my 90’s? Family history says I’ll probably live that long.

I don’t look forward to the time when I can’t do for myself & will have to rely on those who may only see me as a paycheck. I’ve heard horror stories. Smith & Wesson is simply a last resort.


15 posted on 01/05/2019 4:36:29 PM PST by Twotone
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To: Twotone
I wonder who will take care of me when I’m no longer able. Smith & Wesson, I think.

Please banish that thought, friend. Where there's a will, there's a way.

16 posted on 01/05/2019 4:58:52 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: PA Engineer
David DuByne of Adapt 2030 has repeatedly demonstrated the problems with Chinese dynasties. During every Grand Solar Minimum the dynasties collapse. How many people realize we are now entering the Eddy Minimum?

Many people have never heard of him, but David DuByne is one of the most important voices of this decade, and is well worth listening to.

His mission is to educate and inform others about the impending Grand Solar Minimum, which will essentially be a mini ice age. He does so by presenting the viewers with verifiable, empirical, scientific facts and observations, that are irrefutable.

This thing is knocking at our door, folks. Our sun has entered a quiet phase that repeats like clockwork, in a cyclic, regular pattern. It's going to get cold - very cold - and soon.

Go to YouTube and look up the channel, Adapt 2030 for more info.

17 posted on 01/05/2019 5:23:01 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Twotone

“They’re getting care from robots already,...”

Indeed! And robots will factor big everywhere else. While Stein mentions robotic maids, nurses, etc.; I don’t think he gave enough weight to the question of robotics. Demographics should include silicon-based “lifeforms” (AKA robots).

Robots, combined with artificial intelligence, will soon be doing most of the work humans are doing now. The transportation sector will be among the first hit — with wheeled robots poised to wipe out most jobs for professional drivers.

Japan has had (effectively) zero in-migration, while its population declines. I’ve commented on this here, several times. While “western” nations have been importing millions of low-skill immigrants to do menial work; Japan has had a strategy of using more and more robots.

Industrial robots are now old hat. Androids (robots resembling humans) will be caring for the elderly, as you and Stein point out. They’ll be doing a lot of other tasks too. We already have robotic vacuum cleaners, and mops — why import maids? Robots will be doing most menial farm labour soon — thus demolishing any rationale for allowing illegal immigration of low-skill labourers. Then, there’s the fast-food industry — quickly automating everywhere minimum wages were given huge boosts.

There’s another factor Stein didn’t mention (at least in this article — I haven’t read the book). Japan has “colonized” many countries (including the USA and Canada), with branch plants. They simply don’t need a large population at home to make things — they will continue to use foreign populations for that (for whatever jobs are left after the robots invade). Japan will be recognizably Japanese in 50 years — we can’t say the same about Europe or N. America.

The big challenges won’t be looking after the elderly, nor maintaining productive capacity. The main challenges are going to be associated with income and wealth redistribution. That’s going to be a challenge for conservative governments — how to redistribute, without becoming socialists.


18 posted on 01/05/2019 5:52:07 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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Indeed! And robots will factor big everywhere else.

Which includes teaching young children, programmed by the PC government, though caretaker teachers will be needed for discipline. But as i recall reading, sadly much of the tech. progress re. computers was spurred by the porn industry, and likely will be much the case with robots, which does not justify the use.

19 posted on 01/06/2019 10:22:17 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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