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EMP: Not if, but when
Am Thinker ^ | Dec 277, 2018 | J.M. Phelps

Posted on 12/27/2018 5:42:58 PM PST by upchuck

Dr. Peter Pry is the Executive Director of the EMP Task Force.

Pry explains there are three sources of EMP: the sun, nuclear weapons, and non-nuclear weapons.

The entire world would be affected, putting “electric grids and critical infrastructures” as well as “billions of lives” at risk. Pry believes it is “inevitable” that we will be struck by a Carrington-class geomagnetic storms, for “it’s not a question of if, but it’s a question of when will that happen.”

A second EMP threat stems from nuclear weapons “detonated at high altitude” of 30 to 400 kilometers. “A single nuclear weapon detonated at that altitude would create an electromagnetic field that would cover all of North America, most of Canada and a good part of Mexico.”

Non-nuclear EMP weapons, or radio frequency, weapons are a third cause for concern. “A non-nuclear EMP weapon has very limited range, typically a hundred yards or so, but the electric grid is so fragile that if you had a terrorist or criminal organization” with multiple radio frequency weapons, they “could cause a nationwide blackout” by attacking high-voltage (HV) transformers.

As the chief of staff of the congressional EMP commission for 17 years, he notes a number of concerns. Aircraft would fall from the sky and automobiles would fail to start. Water would no longer be available in homes. “We only have enough food to feed 326 million people for 30 days and the food would begin to spoil within 72 hours.”

Should a nationwide blackout occur for as long as a year, the EMP commission reports “90% of our population could starve to death, die from disease and societal chaos, and collapse.”

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: emp; empattack; endofthewold; hysteria; masspanic
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To: MichaelCorleone

No. O’Dumbass thought he was getting smokers off the highway.

He cannot think past one libtard.


41 posted on 12/27/2018 6:26:27 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: central_va

“EMP is almost as big of a hoax as global warming”.

I’ve seen your other explanations on this thread. No need to explain why it’s a hoax. Please disregard my request to explain why it’s a hoax.


42 posted on 12/27/2018 6:26:54 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: central_va

That’s the effect from the E1. It is (relatively) short ranged.

The real problem is the long lines picking up the E3 energy and frying the grid.

Ted Koppel wrote a good non-fiction book about cyber attack or physical destruction of key nodes having the same effect.


43 posted on 12/27/2018 6:28:10 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

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44 posted on 12/27/2018 6:28:24 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: central_va
“Apparently only the really old cars and trucks without computer chips will be able to run after an EMP.” If they are not running at the time of the EMP attack they will most likely be not be negativity affected.

I would like to think it was that simple. The problem is that EMP effects are difficult and expensive to test. I don't know of any tests that have been done for at least 15, maybe 20 years.

My guess is that a lot of cars would not be affected, and that significantly fewer cars that were not running would be affected.

But, I don't really know. The circuitry in cars has changed a lot in 15-20 years.

If you know of any testing done in the last 20 years, I would like to know of it. The last I knew was done at the facility near Chesapeake bay. (I remember visiting it, but it was a while back.)

45 posted on 12/27/2018 6:31:30 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Nazis
https://www.amazon.com/Mech-Legions-Complete-Trilogy-Box-ebook/dp/B078S8LV7R?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0


46 posted on 12/27/2018 6:33:28 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: laplata

The following quote is the report on the EMP Commission testing of vehicles from pages 115-116 of the EMP Commission Critical National Infrastructures Report:

Automobiles

The potential EMP vulnerability of automobiles derives from the use of built-in electronics that support multiple automotive functions. Electronic components were first introduced into automobiles in the late 1960s. As time passed and electronics technologies evolved, electronic applications in automobiles proliferated. Modern automobiles have as many as 100 microprocessors that control virtually all functions. While electronic applications have proliferated within automobiles, so too have application standards and electromagnetic interference and electromagnetic compatibility (EMI/EMC) practices. Thus, while it might be expected that increased EMP vulnerability would accompany the proliferated electronics applications, this trend, at least in part, is mitigated by the increased application of EMI/EMC practices.

We tested a sample of 37 cars in an EMP simulation laboratory, with automobile vintages ranging from 1986 through 2002. Automobiles of these vintages include extensive electronics and represent a significant fraction of automobiles on the road today. The testing was conducted by exposing running and nonrunning automobiles to sequentially increasing EMP field intensities. If anomalous response (either temporary or permanent) was observed, the testing of that particular automobile was stopped. If no anomalous response was observed, the testing was continued up to the field intensity limits of the simulation capability (approximately 50 kV/m).

Automobiles were subjected to EMP environments under both engine turned off and engine turned on conditions. No effects were subsequently observed in those automobiles that were not turned on during EMP exposure. The most serious effect observed on running automobiles was that the motors in three cars stopped at field strengths of approximately 30 kV/m or above. In an actual EMP exposure, these vehicles would glide to a stop and require the driver to restart them. Electronics in the dashboard of one automobile were damaged and required repair. Other effects were relatively minor. Twenty-five automobiles exhibited malfunctions that could be considered only a nuisance (e.g., blinking dashboard lights) and did not require driver intervention to correct. Eight of the 37 cars tested did not exhibit any anomalous response.

Based on these test results, we expect few automobile effects at EMP field levels below 25 kV/m. Approximately 10 percent or more of the automobiles exposed to higher field levels may experience serious EMP effects, including engine stall, that require driver intervention to correct. We further expect that at least two out of three automobiles on the road will manifest some nuisance response at these higher field levels. The serious malfunctions could trigger car crashes on U.S. highways; the nuisance malfunctions could exacerbate this condition. The ultimate result of automobile EMP exposure could be triggered crashes that damage many more vehicles than are damaged by the EMP, the consequent loss of life, and multiple injuries.

Trucks

As is the case for automobiles, the potential EMP vulnerability of trucks derives from the trend toward increasing use of electronics. We assessed the EMP vulnerability of trucks using an approach identical to that used for automobiles. Eighteen running and nonrunning trucks were exposed to simulated EMP in a laboratory. The intensity of the EMP fields was increased until either anomalous response was observed or simulator limits were reached. The trucks ranged from gasoline-powered pickup trucks to large diesel-powered tractors. Truck vintages ranged from 1991 to 2003.

Of the trucks that were not running during EMP exposure, none were subsequently affected during our test. Thirteen of the 18 trucks exhibited a response while running. Most seriously, three of the truck motors stopped. Two could be restarted immediately, but one required towing to a garage for repair. The other 10 trucks that responded exhibited relatively minor temporary responses that did not require driver intervention to correct. Five of the 18 trucks tested did not exhibit any anomalous response up to field strengths of approximately 50 kV/m.

Based on these test results, we expect few truck effects at EMP field levels below approximately 12 kV/m. At higher field levels, 70 percent or more of the trucks on the road will manifest some anomalous response following EMP exposure. Approximately 15 percent or more of the trucks will experience engine stall, sometimes with permanent damage that the driver cannot correct. Similar to the case for automobiles, the EMP impact on trucks could trigger vehicle crashes on U.S. highways. As a result, many more vehicles could be damaged than those damaged directly by EMP exposure.


47 posted on 12/27/2018 6:33:51 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: upchuck

A while ago, Dr Pry was on Mark Levin show. Hearing him talk about EMP was an ‘eye opener’! For a long time, I’ve been concerned about an attack on our electric grids. But, learning about the true impact of EMP was beyond anything I imagined! Scary.


48 posted on 12/27/2018 6:35:40 PM PST by 4integrity
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To: eyedigress; central_va
Starfish Prime.

One can tweak the nuke to put out more gamma radiation to cause Compton scattering in the upper atmosphere. The Earth's magnetic field accelerates the displaced electrons; these electrons directly cause, or induce, all kinds of fun things.

49 posted on 12/27/2018 6:41:06 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: central_va
Looks like the military EMP testing facilities were shut down by court order - idiocy - in 1988, earlier than I thought.

That supreme worker of the environmental scam, Jeremy Rifkin, was behind it.

It appears we have been relying on computer simulations since 1991.

Not a big fan of computer simulations, even if electrical chips are less complex than the Earth-atmosphere-sun system.

50 posted on 12/27/2018 6:43:13 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: central_va

Wouldn’t there have to be many EMP bursts to cripple the country? I keep hearing how one weapon strategically detonated could cripple all of the nation’s electricity. That is a hell of a lot of area. I may be naïve, but that just doesn’t seem possible.


51 posted on 12/27/2018 6:44:33 PM PST by Right Brother
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To: angry elephant

In the book ‘One Second After’ they are able to get really old VWs running because they were so simple. Used hand pumps to get gas out of the gas station tanks.


52 posted on 12/27/2018 6:44:35 PM PST by upchuck (Q: What high crime has Trump committed? A: He won the 2016 Presidential election. ~ h/t dartuser)
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To: CincyRichieRich
I am not one of those people who put a years worth of food away either. We have much more than that. Since we have 9 children we have enough food and other supplies to take care of us the kids and their kids for quite an extended time. We put solar electric in the house, I have lot of solar electric, enough that we could continue to live the way we now do without the grid.

I am not an EMP denier but I do believe that EMP’s as we think about them are over rated. Electromagnetic radiation dissipates at the square of the distance. It would take an unbelievably huge bomb to take out all of North America. A smaller bomb at a much lower altitude could perhaps take out a city or two. There is a problem however with attacking the USA. We would know who it was and retaliate. If it was some third rate country with no electricity we would annihilate, all those who participated in it would die. If it was a civilized country they know we would do the same to them and worse.

I think when we are hit with nuclear weapons it will be from a ship in a harbor not a space bomb.

When we are hit, and I do believe it is inevitable, our government will have the means to do some helping to keep people going. The US is a resilient people, some will profit from the situation and as long as there is an opportunity to get rich people will be fed and sheltered. Water will be the worst problem. That is one reason we bought property with a natural spring and why we store hundreds of gallons of drinking water.

What scares me is trying to protect what we have. If all the kids come home we will have a pretty decent army.

I don't think EMP is the end all to end all, I do believe that EMP and other threats are very real and we should prepare for them but most don't. I would recommend if you don't you rethink the situation.

53 posted on 12/27/2018 6:46:04 PM PST by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: central_va
We tested a sample of 37 cars in an EMP simulation laboratory, with automobile vintages ranging from 1986 through 2002. Automobiles of these vintages include extensive electronics and represent a significant fraction of automobiles on the road today. The testing was conducted by exposing running and nonrunning automobiles to sequentially increasing EMP field intensities. If anomalous response (either temporary or permanent) was observed, the testing of that particular automobile was stopped. If no anomalous response was observed, the testing was continued up to the field intensity limits of the simulation capability (approximately 50 kV/m).

Ahhh... I thought testing was done later. But has anyone done any lab testing in the last 15 years?

As I wrote earlier, the electronics and wiring in cars has changed a lot in that time.

54 posted on 12/27/2018 6:46:34 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Glad you looked it up. FR is about information.

The USA is about staying ahead of that curve.

:^)


55 posted on 12/27/2018 6:46:50 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: central_va

EMP is not a hoax. it has been demonstrated.


56 posted on 12/27/2018 6:49:27 PM PST by Agatsu77
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I got a laugh out of the short description:

"The patriotic freedom fighters of New York City"

Yeah, right.............

57 posted on 12/27/2018 6:50:16 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: cherry

It does, but even North America itself is so embarrassed by the teenage 47 year old (past his) Prime Minister of Canada that it denies Canada being a part of North America.
;^/


58 posted on 12/27/2018 6:50:21 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Right Brother

Think cascade failure... One part of the grid goes down and takes another part with it. Repeat as necessary.


59 posted on 12/27/2018 6:53:44 PM PST by Bitman
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To: Agatsu77

EMP is real but the treat is a hoax.


60 posted on 12/27/2018 6:56:59 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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