Posted on 12/25/2018 5:46:45 PM PST by vannrox
Democrats are lining up to support Alexandria Ocasio-Cortezs Green New Deal.
The proposal could be the largest expansion of government since the Great Society or New Deal.
Ocasio-Cortezs plan could cost tens of trillions of dollars.
Democrats are increasingly lining up to support a Green New Deal, which, while vague on details, could end up being the largest expansion of government in decades.
As it stands, the Green New Deal is more aspirational than actual policy. Indeed, it takes its name from the New Deal of the 1930s, and its main backer, incoming Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, compared it to the Great Society of the 1960s.
More than 40 Democratic lawmakers support the Green New Deal as part of a broad plan to fight global warming and bring about what they see as economic, social and racial justice. A poll found most Americans supported the deal, but knew little about it.
But the big question is when Americans find out whats in the Green New Deal, will they be willing to pay for it?
Ocasio-Cortezs Green New Deal calls for creating a House committee to draft legislation to fight global warming and turn the U.S. economy into something akin to what Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders envisions. Indeed, the Green New Deal could be a preview of what policies the Democratic Party will back in the 2020 elections.
This is going to be the New Deal, the Great Society, the moon shot, the civil-rights movement of our generation, Ocasio-Cortez said at a panel event in early December alongside Sanders, a likely 2020 presidential contender.
Those goals include moving the U.S. to 100 percent green energy, federal job guarantees for workings forced out of their fossil fuel jobs, guaranteed minimum income and universal health care.
Democrats will take control of the House in 2019 and many want to see global warming become a central part of their agenda. Republicans are unlikely to go along with a green deal in any form, and cracks are even appearing among Democrats on climate policy.
Since the Green New Deal lacks specifics, its hard to gauge the total cost, but similar climate and welfare policies are estimated to cost trillions of dollars.
For starters, moving the U.S. to a 100-percent renewable electric grid could cost as much as $5.2 trillion over two decades, according to a 2010 study by the conservative Heritage Foundation. Thats about $218 billion to move the grid away from coal and natural gas.
On top of that, the non-energy-related portions of the Green New Deal could cost trillions more, including universal health care and guaranteed income.
The libertarian Mercatus Center released a study in July that found Sanderss Medicare for All plan would cost $32.6 trillion over 10 years. That same month, hedge-fund manager Ray Dalio estimated the cost to taxpayers of a universal basic income policy would top $3.8 trillion a year and thats assuming every American citizen got just $12,000 a year.
For comparison, the Great Society policies pursued by the Johnson administration during the 1960s cost $22 trillion, according to estimates from the Heritage Foundation. Former President Franklin D. Roosevelts New Deal of the 1930s during the Great Depression cost $500 billion in todays dollars, The Nation reported in 2008.
Of course, both the New Deal and Great Society have left U.S. taxpayers on the hook for trillions in debt and unfunded liabilities somewhere between $87 trillion and $222 trillion.
“I reckon this will be another one of those we have to pass it to find out what is in it deals.”
I don’t understand all the hysteria about such proposals, since there are not enough votes in the Senate to pass such nonsense, and even if there were, neither house has enough lefty votes to override a Trump veto. The RATS in the House are going to go bat $hit crazy for twenty four months then the House will go back to GOP leadership.
yeah baby, that’s what we need now, more worthless leaches called federal employees.
Big gub mint a holes should be the ones in re-edumacation camps.
OK!! Everybody pay attention!
Lesson for today:
1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.
2. The sun is a giant nuclear furnace that controls the climates of all its planets.
3. The earth is one of the suns planets.
4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.
5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.
Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?
I guess if America swallows another Obama poison pill, we are doomed.
Did my post REALLY seem hysterical to you?
Did my post suggest that I thought “Oh my God!!!, AOC and Bernie are going to make legislation that becomes law to destroy the economy!!!!.”?
Or did my post merely point out that since they have no idea of what the details would be, that Nancy Pelosi would probably fall back on one of her famous sayings?
The house can pass any bill they want. But where is it going to go. The Senate must also approve of any bill that the house passes. And then it goes to the President to either sign or veto.
So the question is, why would the President allow any of these crazy ideas from the House become law?
I would be worried if the Democrats controlled the Senate and someone like Hillary was President, but until then articles like this are just FAKE NEWS.
ultimate gloBULL warming insiders’ poll, funded by gloBULL warming insiders; FakeNews.
14 Dec: Yale Climate Change Communication: The Green New Deal has Strong Bipartisan Support
By Abel Gustafson, Seth Rosenthal, Anthony Leiserowitz, Edward Maibach, John Kotcher, Matthew Ballew and Matthew Goldberg
Some members of Congress are proposing a Green New Deal for the U.S. They say that a Green New Deal will produce jobs and strengthen Americas economy by accelerating the transition from fossil fuels to clean, renewable energy. The Deal would generate 100% of the nations electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years; upgrade the nations energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure; increase energy efficiency; invest in green technology research and development; and provide training for jobs in the new green economy...
Methods
These data were produced by the bi-annual Climate Change in the American Mind survey a nationally-representative analysis of public opinion on climate change in the United States conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication.
Surveys were conducted using the Ipsos KnowledgePanel®, a representative online panel of U.S. adults (18+), from November 28 to December 11, 2018. All questionnaires were self-administered by respondents in a web-based environment...
Funding Sources
11th Hour Project, the Endeavor Foundation, the Energy Foundation, the TomKat Foundation, the Grantham Foundation, and the MacArthur Foundation
http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/the-green-new-deal-has-strong-bipartisan-support/
The New Deal and the Great Society are both failures that are bankrupting this nation. We cannot afford a third such failure.
Never get complacent. The Republican party doesn’t have much in the way of party discipline and agitating against such measures is going to be necessary.
VETO!!!!!!!!!!
Her logic indeed
So much for our hopes that entire departments would be eliminated.
My comment was general in nature, not directed at you. All these articles about how the RAT Congress is going to do this or that, when you look at the political landscape are just bull$hit! Unless the GOPE becomes the handmaiden of the RATs to the extent that they can collectively override a Trump veto, all it will amount to is a bunch of self-flaggelation on Capitol Hill for the next two years. And as I see it, it will all be of great benefit to the President, because both the RATs and the RINOs will make fools of themselves in front of the voters with the result that they are ALL tossed out of office in 2020 along with the return to the White House of Donald J. Trump.
While Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's intentions for the country are arguably commendable, likewise concerning the intentions of her Democratic and RINO colleagues, caring politicians like her need to get themselves elected as state lawmakers, not federal lawmakers, for the following reason.
Patriots are reminded that the congressional record shows that the Founding States left the care of the people uniquely to the states, not the constitutionally limited power federal government.
... the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Federal Constitution, is in the States, and not in the Federal Government [emphases added]. Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe, 1866. (See about middle of 3rd column.)
In fact, a previous generation state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justice had clarified that it was up to the individual states to experiment with their own social spending programs to find out what programs work or dont work for a state, a given programs success ultimately decided by a states taxpaying voters.
"It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country. Justice Brandeis, Laboratories of democracy.
But then misguided FDR, along with the likewise misguided, post-17th Amendment ratification Democratic Congress at the time, wrongly established FDRs New Deal programs without first successfully petitioning the states for new amendments to the Constitution. Such amendments would have given the feds the specific new powers that they need to tax and spend for such programs, FDR's New Deal programs actually funded by state revenues stolen by means of unconstitutional federal taxes.
Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States. Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]. United States v. Butler, 1936.
And with all due respect to college fraternities, weve now got crook federal lawmakers who spend taxpayer dollars like drunk frat boys.
"The holy grail of organized crime is to control government power to tax." me
"The constitutionally undefined political parties are basically competing, corrupt voter unions, union dues paid by means of unconstitutional federal taxes. me
"The smart crooks long ago figured out that getting themselves elected to federal office to make unconstitutional tax laws to fill their pockets is a much easier way to make a living than robbing banks." me
"Federal career lawmakers probably laugh all the way to the bank to deposit bribes for putting loopholes for the rich and corporations in tax appropriations laws, Congress actually not having the express constitutional authority to make most appropriations laws where domestic policy is concerned. Such laws are based on stolen state powers and uniquely associated stolen state revenues." me
The bottom line is this. The states cannot experiment with social spending programs as the Founding States had intended because the corrupt feds keep stealing state revenues to run unconstitutional, vote-winning federal spending programs, the feds infamous for their bad management of such programs.
Patriots need to put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes and likewise unconstitutional federal interference in the affairs of the sovereign states by supporting Pres. Trump in working with the states to repeal the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments.
We are 22 trillion in debt, in between cyclic glacial expansions, and the best the leftist morons can do, is develop a plan for more debt as they insanely attempt to cool the planet. They need to be outlawed from holding government positions. How much more prove do we need ?
Yes, and we we all know how well that worked out!
It worked out exactly how the left wanted it to: crushed the middle class, created more government dependent poor, and didnt touch those Uber-rich politically connected people especially on the left. And theyre trying again.
And we have 40, 50, how many million (certainly not 12 million) and growing new Americans who dont know any better?!
Yup.
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