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The Mattis Repercussions: Why Trump’s handling of Syria and the Pentagon this week is so damaging.
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 21, 2018

Posted on 12/22/2018 5:10:53 AM PST by reaganaut1

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To: bert

2,000 troops in Syria are going to “contain” Iran? LOL. Is that their mission? What about the 15,000 in Kuwait and 5,000 in Iraq. Or the thousands more in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia?

France and Saudi Arabia have said they will replace the US presence in Syria. Another tempest in a teapot. The sky is not falling.


61 posted on 12/22/2018 7:11:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: Bernard

“That’s how stuff used to work in a country called America a long time ago.”

The United States has declared war eleven times in its history. Four of those times after hostilities had stated. It has sent troops into combat at on least three times that many occasions without a declaration of war, dating back to 1789. Without debating the wisdom of declaring war or not, it is a misplaced sense of nostalgia to think we always declared war in the good old days.


62 posted on 12/22/2018 7:11:51 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Migraine

Casualties win wars

Thc current extrapolation of Euro fears of war are detrimental to our well being. Enemies are enemies, even if they are wives


63 posted on 12/22/2018 7:21:44 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: bert

Of course you mean ex wives....


64 posted on 12/22/2018 7:24:09 AM PST by gathersnomoss (Grace and Dignity Will Win The Day)
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To: reaganaut1
We're all sick of liberals getting off on War Porn...

If the damn 'elites' want to fight eternal wars in Middle East hellholes they can send large groups of their own children over... NOT OURS... Not our kids - not our problem.

65 posted on 12/22/2018 7:26:03 AM PST by GOPJ (TERM LIMIT DC SWAMP BUREAUCRATS - a permanent un-elected ruling class is a threat to freedom.)
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To: gathersnomoss

No, I mean Hamas wives, Isis wives, Taliban wives


66 posted on 12/22/2018 7:27:11 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: OkiMusashi

The entire country is a big cluster-flock.


67 posted on 12/22/2018 7:32:02 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: FiddlePig

Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates and Israel all commit to helping in the region. And rightly so, it’s their area, not the United States


68 posted on 12/22/2018 7:32:17 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: central_va
"I say defund the military until the start to patrol/defend the Southern border! Screw then all."

LOL! That pretty much sums up most of the sentiment in comments at FR now. I wonder if it's the same across the USA.

If so, a few of us are about to live through unprecedented excitement. Most of us may not. We might soon see the consequences of our leaders' neglect of public affairs and failure to educate the American people over the past couple of generations.

69 posted on 12/22/2018 7:32:34 AM PST by familyop (12B (SPC with an H and temp. sideways promotion to corporal for instructing PLDC), ARNG, '89-'96)
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To: bert

It’s been ongoing with practically nothing about it in the US press.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181122-saudi-arabia-uae-send-troops-to-support-kurds-in-syria/


70 posted on 12/22/2018 7:32:47 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

Thanks for that!


71 posted on 12/22/2018 7:34:43 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: sergeantdave

“Obama’s Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years”

Trump ought to see if any of them want to come back to lead our military. They are the people that we probably need to do it!


72 posted on 12/22/2018 7:34:57 AM PST by vette6387
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To: bert

Also read the three tweets in this thread. Again nothing about it in the US press.

https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1076103563082940418

This is an example of why twitter is so good, some people here act like it worthless but that is wrong.


73 posted on 12/22/2018 7:36:21 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“The liberals loved it when Truman fired McArthur. In hind sight, I think McArthur was correct, Korea was a stalemate, either destroy the enemy or stop the war, but Truman was the boss.”

In that case, the CiC was an idiot, who left Korea as a festering problem for 70 years for Trump to attempt to fix. My father used to say “Truman was like an automatic transmission, shiftless!”


74 posted on 12/22/2018 7:37:11 AM PST by vette6387
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To: bert
"It can be argued that the total McArthur effort in World War II had no significant effect. The US Navy and the US Marines defeated the Japs until the Air Force operating out of the Marianas could bomb Japan into ashes."

It could be argued - but you'd be wrong. 22 Army divisions fought in the Pacific in WWII, from Guadalcanal to Okinawa, including on those Marianas islands which you mentioned, and from which Army Air Corps pilots flew to bomb Japan. It amazes me how some completely ignore the contributions made by the Army in the Pacific.

75 posted on 12/22/2018 7:38:13 AM PST by Flag_This (Liberals are locusts.)
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To: reaganaut1

Help me out here: Is “the Mattis Repercussion” number 517 or number 518 in the running count of “We got Trump now and he’ll be gone by Thursday!”? It’s so hard to keep track.


76 posted on 12/22/2018 7:39:25 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberal is lies.)
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To: Hostage
Too bad it's fake. The real Max Boot April 19 article is here:

Trump thinks we can replace U.S. forces in Syria with Arab troops. He’s wrong.

77 posted on 12/22/2018 7:40:17 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Fox News: "We distort, you deride")
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To: smokingfrog

Actually, problems created with the demise of the Ottoman empire in 1918 are now being solved.

What you see as a cluster-flock is actually history reverting to a past mean that some do not want.

The Brits and the Frogs bit off more than they could chew and that is now being rectified


78 posted on 12/22/2018 7:41:03 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: smokingfrog
"The entire country is a big cluster-flock."

Syria? Try to imagine what it would be like, if it had only become more stable over the past seven years. And try to imagine what would have happened around the world during the same time frame.

Which two militarily powerful nations have vetoed many of our government's foreign relations efforts in the U.N.? And what were their motives?


79 posted on 12/22/2018 7:41:15 AM PST by familyop (12B (SPC with an H and temp. sideways promotion to corporal for instructing PLDC), ARNG, '89-'96)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
It has sent troops into combat at on least three times that many occasions without a declaration of war, dating back to 1789. Without debating the wisdom of declaring war or not, it is a misplaced sense of nostalgia to think we always declared war in the good old days.

How many times did those military actions with no war declaration involve U.S. troops operating within the borders of another sovereign nation?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that it was probably close to ZERO. Most of those campaigns involved: (1) disputed territories in North America that later became part of the U.S.; and (2) protection of U.S. interests in areas with no sovereign government (i.e., the "high seas," which were legally defined as open waters that are under the control of no nation).

The language of Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution was specifically written to distinguish between two different types of U.S. military campaigns:

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

Just look at those two items and notice the difference between them. The Federal government was given the authority to build and maintain a Navy on a permanent basis. The Army, on the other hand, was never intended to be a permanent fixture in the Federal government. The Federal government was supposed to "raise" an Army by drawing resources from the state militias. This Army was never designed to operate as a permanent standing military force.

The Navy was not designed to be raised from state militias because the Navy (by definition) operated outside the control of any individual state.

This is also, by the way, the reason why the Marines operate under the authority of the U.S. Navy. Unlike the Army, which was designed to operate as a continental force in the defense of the United States, the Marines were designed as land forces that would operate in those areas ("high seas") that were not under any nation's jurisdiction.

When I read provisions like this in the U.S. Constitution, one thing stands out to me: The U.S. was never designed to wage wars overseas within the borders of other nations that represented no threat to the U.S. here in North America.

80 posted on 12/22/2018 7:42:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I'm a cool dude in a loose mood! Hey -- two ginger ales for my girls!")
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