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This author loses me. Even though I could easily believe that Trump has nailed these two women, he hasn't admitted it.

Cohen is a liar by his own admission. His credibility is impaired at best. So unless there is evidence; recorded, written or otherwise that comes from Trump directing Cohen to pay these two women, how can Trump be guilty of anything?

On the flip side, if it is proven that Trump knew who Cohen was paying and why, then he obviously has a major problem because why else would he be paying these women?

That being said, this is still largely a he said/she said case (for the moment) that rises nowhere near the level of impeachment *IF* Trump used Campaign Funds to pay these women off.

So as I say at the outset, the author loses me quickly. The takeaway is simply that Edwards admitted to being a worthless human while Trump has admitted nothing?

Big whoop.

1 posted on 12/19/2018 9:56:31 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
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To: TangledUpInBlue

From the author:

https://www.thenation.com/article/george-bush-death-media-white-supremacy/

Naw, he’s not biased. Not one bit.


2 posted on 12/19/2018 9:59:18 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: TangledUpInBlue
"Whataboutism" - the Left can't stand it when they're hoist by their own lying petards.

You can bet COLD CASH that Elie Mystal soiled himself on Twitter when Trump was elected.

3 posted on 12/19/2018 10:00:46 AM PST by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

I agree with the OP.

The more correct comparison is that congress paid blackmail to individuals taxpayer money.

I don’t care about the accusers’ name. I want the congresscritters’ names.


4 posted on 12/19/2018 10:01:28 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Trump’s case is trivial compared to Edwards’. Trump did nothing illegal, while Edwards paid from campaign funds.


5 posted on 12/19/2018 10:04:05 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: TangledUpInBlue

John Edwards won Father of the Year in 2008 therefore not guilty.


7 posted on 12/19/2018 10:04:31 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committtee)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

This is one of the most twisted “reasonings” I have ever read. It is no wonder our legal system is in such tatters with judges not following the law and Constitution. This is more of the same, like Mueller, making a crime where there is no crime. But that is the Left.


8 posted on 12/19/2018 10:05:46 AM PST by falcon99
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To: TangledUpInBlue

What is the difference between hush money and extortion?

Hush money is given to people to keep quiet about something from the person who would benefit. It is usually voluntarily. “Hey Sally, remember that thing we used to do back in the day? Here’s a 100K to not talk about it anyone”

Extortion is when someone who wants to destroy another person demands payment from them to not tell the story, even if the story is true, made up or a combination of made up and true components. Usually to threaten the victim into payment(s) of some sort. “Hey Donald, remember the time you did me back in the day? You were such a freak, does your wife know? I am sure the press would love this story as well. You have a lot invested into this presidential campaign. Nobody cares if it is true or not, but a 130K would keep me quiet”.

I think there is a big difference between “hush money” and outright extortion.

Am I wrong about this?


9 posted on 12/19/2018 10:06:55 AM PST by Trump.Deplorable
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Just another liberal rationalizing their double standards.


14 posted on 12/19/2018 10:15:52 AM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Your reasoning is dead wrong here. This article makes it crystal:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/michael-cohen-sentencing-campaign-finance-law/

The fact is that paying someone to stop a reveal is not illegal, unless you use campaign funds. Trump used his own money (when he reimbursed Cohen). If a candidate could use campaign funds we would have a rush to become candidates to cover “expenses” like this. We would not want this happening.

So if it is not illegal, then covering it up is not illegal. There, its easy, They have nothing on Trump from this charge.


16 posted on 12/19/2018 10:19:39 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer)
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"Even though I could easily believe that Trump has nailed these two women..."

What? Did you believe the accusations against Judge Kavanaugh? If you didn't, why are you willing to believe that Trump is guilty? What proof is there that anything occurred between him, and these two women?

And what different does it make if Trump told Cohen to pay these women? It was a legal agreement between Cohen and at least Stormy Daniels. Cohen paid her, and Trump says he reimbursed Cohen. Where's the crime? Unlike Edwards, Trump campaign donations, or donations of any kind were not used to pay back Cohen. Trump used his own money. In Edwards' case, he personally solicited money from Bunny Mellon and others in order to keep his mistress silent on their affair, and baby. Yet he was found not guilty of any campaign finance laws. Cohen was Trump's lawyer long before his campaign began. The alleged affairs occurred prior to any thought of his running for office. He was a businessman at the time. He kept Cohen on retainer. I've read he paid him a monthly fee to take care of stuff like this. Even a former FEC official says there is no crime. So where IS the crime?

17 posted on 12/19/2018 10:24:00 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The payments were far too low if the accusations were true. It’s more like hushing up false allegations as they would be a distraction feeding the fake news machine.


18 posted on 12/19/2018 10:26:48 AM PST by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

What gets lost in the translation is the, supposedly, discussion about paying these women off started in 2014...

In an August 2014 meeting at Trump Tower, Pecker offered to Donald Trump that he would use the National Enquirer to catch and kill any allegations of sexual affairs against Trump.

Most stories that use the Pecker quote ( it’s getting harder to find ) leave out the date & place. The original source for that story seems nowhere to be found.


29 posted on 12/19/2018 1:03:21 PM PST by stylin19a (2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Pay no attention to people like this that Hit the Pipe every morning before work, I see them all the time here in SoCal.


32 posted on 12/19/2018 2:16:42 PM PST by eyeamok
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On the flip side, if it is proven that Trump knew who Cohen was paying and why, then he obviously has a major problem because why else would he be paying these women?

Why would it be a "major problem" to get nondisclosure agreements from whores paid for with his own money?

33 posted on 12/19/2018 3:06:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.“ --Aristotle.)
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