Posted on 12/13/2018 6:50:33 PM PST by Olog-hai
A looming, partial government shutdown would be “stupid” but might be unavoidable if Democrats refuse to support President Donald Trump’s proposed border wall with Mexico, the second-ranking House Republican said on Thursday.
Even if Republicans assemble enough votes to approve the wall in the House, the plan probably will fail in the Senate, said Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California. The House majority leader noted that Senate Democrats have pledged to block the bill from receiving the necessary 60 votes.
McCarthy said on the House floor that he thinks “going into a shutdown is stupid,” but he offered no immediate plan before the Dec. 21 deadline. The House adjourned for six days soon after his remarks.
McCarthy’s comments put him at odds with Trump, who said this week that he would be “proud to shut down the government” in the name of border security. […]
Texas Sen. John Cornyn, the Senate’s No 2 Republican, said he does not understand Trump’s strategy. “Maybe he’s figured it out and he’ll tell us in due course, but I don’t understand it,” Cornyn told The Washington Post. …
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Texas Sen. John Cornyn, the Senate’s No 2 Republican, said he does not understand Trump’s strategy. “Maybe he’s figured it out and he’ll tell us in due course, but I don’t understand it,” Cornyn told The Washington Post. …
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Cornyn doesn’t understand that we want our border secured.
He needs to be replaced with someone who will.
SHUT.
IT.
DOWN.
And keep it that way.
The Republican Party is in ruins.
Republicans haven’t learned a damn thing from all this yet, have they.
Effing surrender artists.
Actually, the titles don't match:
No. 2 House Republican: Gov’t shutdown ‘stupid’, may happen [McCarthy]
No. 2 House Republican: Gov't shutdown would be 'stupid'
Better to pick out a significant part of the title, Gov't shutdown for example, and search on that.
That happens to me too. I search the first couple of pages before I post now.
The 3 pos.
The GOP won’t admit this, but they keep the Senate vote for cloture at 60 votes on an issue like this to hide the fact that they don’t even have 50 votes votes to pass it. They wouldn’t have 50 votes even if there were 100 Republicans in the Senate.
Very possible you are right. They know this is wrong, they must be bought. They are sinking their own party by bringing these new Democrats into the country.
Think about it. What would Democrats be doing if 720,000 illegal alien Republican voters were coming into America?
720,000 coming every year I meant above.
They know this is wrong, they must be bought. They are sinking their own party by bringing these new Democrats into the country.
Think about it. What would Democrats be doing if 720,000 illegal alien Republican voters were coming into America?
They are sinking the Party of Lincoln. These are progressive corportist careerists who dream of a reborn Republican Party styled like the “Conservative” in name only Party of Great Britain. The sooner Patriots leave the GOP the better in their view. They fully aim to compete with Democrats for our replacements. They do not mind being in the minority party with perks while Democrats do the heavy lifting installing a European style social welfare state.
No explanation will get through to the spineless turds like this guy who have for so long given in to every democrat whim.
Maybe he’s figured it out and he’ll tell us
in due course, but I don’t understand it,”
Cornyn told The Washington Post. …”
Trump figured it out after 65,000,000
American CITIZENS voted for him. WE
want the wall, and we don’t care if
Mexico pays for it or not.
The Young Bums
The shot heard round the world.
My prediction:
Trump sticks to his guns and there is a shutdown.
The usual wailing and gnashing of teeth ensues.
RINOs join the Dems in passing a budget without the wall.
Trump vetoes.
RINOs join Dems in overriding Trump’s veto.
The GOP essentially collapses after that.
Trump runs for re-election as head of the new MAGA Party.
Usually the first few words can return a pertinent match. And I usually double up by using an external search engine, but the other thread didn’t show up.
And Trump loses re-election in 2020 if he runs on something other then the GOP banner!
Why do I say that? Ok consider the two possibilities.
1. Do it like Ross Perot. Use his money to leverage his way on the ballot as an ‘ad hoc” 3rd party I remind you Ross Perot lost. The best Ross Perot could have done was throw it into the House. He would not have won that. Both parties will fight to keep Trump off the ballot, the GOP because of the threat to “their candidate”, the Rats to impede the establishment of that act for the day when it might hurt them. (but they won’t fight as hard as the GOP for obvious reasons!)
2. This is not 1856! It is much harder for a mainstream political party to collapse and go away like the Whigs did. Either by accident or purposeful design the mainstream parties have embedded themselves in state election laws through the country. These private organizations called “mainstream (GOP & Ra)t political parties” have over time gotten themselves quasi-governmental status. In many states (maybe all!) state funds (state tax dollars) pay for the primary elections Why? Rat & GOP have quasi-state institution status now. That will be hard to change! Yes 3rd parties are on the ballot. However the mainstream parties see that they are their treated as jokes. The mainstream parties will ensure they stay that way,
Back to (1) the Perot approach. The Rats are far more monolithic in their voting then the GOP. They have the “rent seeking” voting demographic 40%-47% (Romney number!) that are not going to change until something drastically changes the culture (That will take time!) The are going to vote Rat come “Hell or high water”, they in their minds have to maintain their “rent seeking” status quo for their own needs & livelihoods. Someone has already pointed out that that 40%-47% number automatically translates into 200-220 electoral votes!.
Now look at the GOP, subtract out the 40%-47% Rat votes, the GOP likely gets something like 40% to 47% also. The battle is over then final 20% to 6%. Probably the actual figure is 10%. Now run Trump as 3rd party, GOP vote splits, at least 10% probably closer to 20% stay establishment GOP. Now do the remaining math and see if it translates into a likely Trump victory. Again at best its in the House, and who has the House now? You could end up with a Rat Prez & Pence VPrez. You think there is chaos now! Think about it if that happens! You’re probably thinking Riley you idiot there is this vast sea of untapped voters out there that are too discouraged to vote. Yes they exist, but they didn’t turn out in number in 2016 like I thought they would, and they certainly didn’t in 2018. For now I think these voters are too discouraged, or disinterested to vote period and will be for some time. So Trump tapping this “vast sea” is too iffy in my mind.
So IMO Trump is better off capturing the GOP, drive the anti-Trumpers into irrelevant 3rd party status or to the Rat party. Its still going to be very hard. The “Wall (or something as nearly effective!) & shutdown” must be held firm if Trump wants a 2nd term. Anne Coulter is right about this one!.
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