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America’s New Religions
NY Magazine ^ | 12-7-18 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 12/08/2018 9:36:44 PM PST by DeweyCA

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As an evangelical Christian, I very much disagree with his characterizations of Trump voters being seduced into a Trump "cult." I reluctantly voted for him because he was by far the lesser of two evils. He has pleasantly surprised me with many of his good policies, while I am disappointed in many of his unnecessarily offensive tweets.

Yet the author, an atheist homosexual, gives a very accurate portrait of many progressives. They detest Christianity, but they still crave a transcendent purpose for living. They have decided to try to gain their meaning by creating a utopian "heaven on earth" through their progressive policies. Anyone who disagrees with them is a heretic who must be silenced. They wish to have total control over society much like radical Islamists want sharia to rule the world. Progressives are not much different from the medieval Catholic Church that they despise, in that they have their own unassailable beliefs, and their own types of PC inquisitions for questioning those beliefs.

1 posted on 12/08/2018 9:36:44 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA

Thanks for posting this. Although I also have quibbles with some of his points, overall I think it is a very interesting and thoughtful piece.


2 posted on 12/08/2018 9:42:09 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: DeweyCA
"seduced into a Trump "cult."

The lamestream media did a great sales job on us. Hillary wanted Trump, not Rubio or Cruz or Jeb!

The LSM did so good a job in selling Trump to us that we decided we really wanted him over Hillary.

You remember the other RNC candidates complaining about all the free advertising Trump was getting?

Something like millions of dollars worth?

That happened by design.

Now they are trying to walk it all back.

Too late you idiotic noobs!

3 posted on 12/08/2018 9:49:39 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: DeweyCA

I have Christian friends, who are in the ministry!, who preach an apolitical Christianity, yet spew leftist ideology.

My arguments to them: ditch the leftist dogma, and don’t be the good men who do nothing thus allowing evil to prevail.


4 posted on 12/08/2018 10:10:22 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Socialism is for losers.)
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To: DeweyCA

Yes, but the most broad “new religion” is pop culture.

Popular rock anthems have replaced hymns as the songs everybody knows.


5 posted on 12/08/2018 10:15:10 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Slyfox

There has been cohesion between Donald Trump’s vision of politics and Christianity because Trump sees Christianity as a key element. Our modern left sees Christianity as something to be allergic to.


6 posted on 12/08/2018 10:16:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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I get tired of people, on the right or on the left, who try to “explain” Trump’s victory by couching it in pretentious, pseudointellectual BS.

Trump won because the economy was crap. Everyone “on the ground” knew it full well, although the media, always protecting “The First Black President” would never report it.

Trump’s opponent, the horrendous Hillary Clinton, was always a no-go with at least half of the voters, no matter how much the media tried to make her “crowds” of 200 seem like some kind of groundswell.

Americans had the chance to elect one of the foremost businessmen of the 20th and 21st centuries to fix the crap economy everyone knew was happening, but the media would not report. And he would be serving without even taking a salary.

A majority of Americans knew that his opponent was an almost incredibly corrupt, whining shrew who kept having coughing fits and passing out at inopportune moments.

Forget the “sophisticated” media “analysis.” Americans aren’t stupid, despite how the self-important, condescending, arrogant media characterizes them.

In actual reality, not the leftist spin-world in which the media lives, there was only one clear choice. And the majority of Americans made it.

Their constant attacks on Trump and his voters ever since are nothing but the wailing of spoiled children who didn’t get their way.


7 posted on 12/08/2018 10:28:32 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: JennysCool

+1


8 posted on 12/08/2018 11:25:08 PM PST by 4Liberty ("The Democrats are the Party of Crime." - Donald J. Trump)
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To: DeweyCA
But their leaders have turned Christianity into a political and social identity, not a lived faith, and much of their flock — a staggering 81 percent voted for Trump — has signed on.

Dear Andrew,

The reason religious people voted for Trump was because he does not hate them.

It is as simple as that.

I enjoyed voting for someone who, unlike you, does not regard me as something to be walked on.

And Andrew, Government is NOT great. In fact the shrine at which you prostrate yourself has killed 100 million non-combatants in the last 100 years.

So take your smug sanctimonious little article, fold it five ways, sit on it and spin until you throw up.

If I want analysis that is as foul as your personal habits, as deep as a puddle and as filling with rot as the DNC I'll call you.

Until then I remain,

laughing and pointing

and totally filled with contempt for you.

HTB

9 posted on 12/09/2018 12:07:45 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: JennysCool

Correctomundo on your great political analysis.
Side note: author of piece has decent analysis of trends but neglects the historical record of Jesus’ works...words..and the conquering of death. (author seems to forget that dealing with ones own death is a prime desire in humans). He seems to neglect that the true modern scientific “gods” appear to be time and chance which are not authoritative..but are human inventions used to try and understand phenomena we encounter...I.e. If everything is predetermined...there can be no chance...if the universe can spring from nothing...there is no time...we can spring forth and start always...


10 posted on 12/09/2018 12:08:19 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: DeweyCA

I think Christians found themselves having to support Trump. They were so pushed into a moral corner by the onslaught of a culture that despises Christianity and wants it removed from having any influence on society that something had to be done!


11 posted on 12/09/2018 12:22:26 AM PST by melsec (There's a track, winding back, to an old forgotten shack along the road to Gundagai..)
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To: spirited irish

ping


12 posted on 12/09/2018 12:58:14 AM PST by spirited irish
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. They have turned to idols — including their blasphemous belief in America as God’s chosen country.

George Washington was a devote Christian and a man of incredible integrity. One cannot dismiss the miracles that happened that allowed that man to win as 'blasphemous'. Our country was blessed because of people like George Washington.

13 posted on 12/09/2018 1:37:05 AM PST by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong)
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To: DeweyCA

Bkmk


14 posted on 12/09/2018 2:14:31 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Over 2-1/2 times your number, arguably.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM


15 posted on 12/09/2018 2:55:12 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: JennysCool

Wow..!!


16 posted on 12/09/2018 3:19:28 AM PST by gaijin
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To: ifinnegan

And super hero movies have replaced the Bible as in inspirational “text.”


17 posted on 12/09/2018 4:03:28 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: DeweyCA

I must admit I do like the phrase “The Great Awokening”

What Sullivan misses is the fact that Trump won not because people thought he was a second George Washington, but because they knew he wasn’t a second Barack Obama.

At a certain point statism becomes all but irreversible - if that’s unclear to anyone, they need to talk to some Venezuelans, Cubans or North Koreans. Hillary, grifter though she be, was likely a tipping point, and lots of Americans knew that, either explicitly or instinctively. Trump was far from my first choice for her opposition (I feared he’d turn into another Arnold Schwarzenegger), and there’s still a good bit about him that concerns me, but he does have one quality I really admire - he doesn’t let the press (the *real* enemy in this drama) intimidate him in the least. And that covers a lot of sins, at least in my book - that’s got nothing to do with any “cultism”. Trump’s a man, and like the rest of us he’s fallible and sinful. But at least he doesn’t let some jackwad like Wolf Blitzer (or any of those other clowns) determine the direction of our country.


18 posted on 12/09/2018 4:13:18 AM PST by Stosh
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To: Steve_Seattle

Andrew describes very well the empty, nothing-to-lose souls of the far left in our nation today.


19 posted on 12/09/2018 4:36:52 AM PST by abclily
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To: DeweyCA

support for Trump is greater among those who do not regularly attend church than among those who do.”””

And what does this signify? What church? It’s getting hard to find a church that isn’t sinking in to progressive feelgood-isim.


20 posted on 12/09/2018 4:39:58 AM PST by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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