Posted on 12/03/2018 1:33:34 AM PST by dennisw
Very few people took notice when far left Governor Jerry Brown signed the changes in AB1921 into law two years ago.
As a result, California lost 7 of its 14 Republican House seats this election cycle.
Ballot harvesting is illegal in most states. In Texas, New York and Pennsylvania they arrest people for ballot harvesting.
Orange County, traditionally a conservative enclave in Southern California turned all blue after Democrats found hundreds of thousands of votes post election day.
Republicans such as Mimi Walters, Dana Rohrabacher and Young Kim were all ahead election night only to lose their races after late ballots were counted.
The amount of mail-in ballots counted in Orange County were unprecedented – a whopping 250,000 ballots were produced in OC as a result of the new “ballot harvesting” law.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
Now I get why Pelousi was so sure of her side winning the House! She said they had a great GROUND GAME in place.This is what she was talking about. I figure they think they can now get enough destruction done, that we will never win anything anymore.
“”A friggin joke but the jackasses living here don’t care. As long as they all get their “free stuff”, it’s all good.””
Better to stay silent than comment on situations you don’t know anything about. I am a former CA resident and I’m offended that anyone would make that leap about people still living there. How do you figure people living in CA are out for “free stuff?” I would say your knowledge of CA residents is pretty nil. Everyone living in CA and perusing FR and those working for Jim Rob should also be offended. At last, I have found something that offends me...your statement.
Lived in CA and OC for 50+ years and never met anyone who was “getting free stuff”....regardless of how the voting turned out in OC this go around.
I live in what would be considered an upscale area of S. Orange County.
The big Apartment Complexes here are chock full of Illegal Invaders. You can bet a dollar to a donut that there was a whole lot of door knocking going on in those Buildings on Election Day.
On top of it all, the Children of these Illegal Invaders streaming out of these Apartment Complexes are being Educated with our Tax Dollars.
9YearLurker, I get all that, but the way I see it, this type of legislation will be put into law all across the country even in red states. Sure. This is “legal” in the way that any kind of gamed approach to a law is “legal”, and as you said, is largely the result of incremental erosions of the electoral process to artificially tilt the legality of elections in a way that benefits the Left.
Mark my words-it will show up in ballot initiatives everywhere. You get the requisite number of signatures in most places, and it gets put in front of the electorate as a ballot question. Once that happens, it will be couched in the most benign and democracy-friendly language you can possibly imagine.
After all, who wants to deny people the “right” to have their vote counted? Only mean, totalitarian Republicans, that’s who. Normal, reasonable people will see these ballot questions worded to “Protect the right of voters to have their vote counted”.
When I learned of this (I know I am late to the game on this) and read about it, I saw immediately that the foundation for it (in California) was being laid long before it was signed into law by Governor Jerry Brown in 2016.
This was a carefully thought out, calculated move on the part of the left, using tactics and procedures devised in advance by the left, with the law worded to facilitate the procedures the Left had already constructed, and done in such a way that most non-leftist lawmakers and the general public would not visualize in advance.
I consider myself generally pretty well educated and tuned in to political matters, more than the above-average civically-minded voter (due in large part to Free Republic) and was unaware of just how this tactic would be executed by the Left.
There is not even the slightest bit of doubt, none, that the Left in California (and nationwide) fully intended to game this and future elections in just this manner, and had been crafting the legislative process to get it passed and implemented.
Make no mistake-the Left in the rest of the country, after seeing how the Democrats swept the election there, is having long conversations with the Left in states like California. The processes and procedures used there are going to be forklifted into EVERY SINGLE STATE IN THE UNION, regardless of how “red” or “blue” the state is.
And that is going to put the Republican party at a major, long term, and unresolvable disadvantage. The very nature of conservatives, who tend to function largely as individuals rather than a hive-mindset as the Left does, will make this a major and unrecoverable insult to conservatives.
We on the Right won’t “do it like they do” even if our political and national well-being is at stake and in danger of extinction. We don’t believe in “gaming” the system (and definitely not cheating the system or breaking laws) because in comparison to the Left, it is a core value of who we perceive ourselves to be.
I don’t think I am being melodramatic here. I believe that, unless something is done to reverse this trend, this is going to make us extinct on the right as a viable political entity within the law. Personally, I live in a blue state with zero political representation. Zero. It has been like that my entire life. But I am going to start a personal project to contact every single legislator at the state and federal level to express my concern about this. It will likely fall on deaf ears, at best as deaf as those of my wife to whom this kind of thing is not important, and at worst, on the ears of people who wish me and those like me ill.
But I am going to do it anyway.
I recognize I am tilting at windmills. But short of the type of violent conflict which I aim to avoid until events beyond my control and not of my choosing occur that inexorably sweep me up in them, I see this as my only recourse.
So, instead...I will tilt at windmills.
“If the next fifty (years) changes as drastically as the previous fifty, there will be no more America.”
Agree. Our youths, women and minorities today are so clueless about truths, natural law, logic, history...it’s just breathtaking.
I miss Grandpa’s America in many, many ways.
Well let’s learn our lesson and ballot harvest ourselves next time.
There will be a wave of this. The tactics worked, and will be forklifted to other states, especially those that allow ballot initiatives such as:
And those do not allow ballot initiatives will have that function pushed so it can be exploited.
Well put. We are not liars, cheaters and thieves like them. And there are so very many of them, so well placed, and so widely supported by our ignorant masses. Winning against them is such an unbalanced fight.
I would like to be wrong about this, but in the last forty years in which I have observed the political process closely, I believe this is a function that will not fall our way.
I would LIKE to be wrong about this.
Right. As I said, it is a fundamental and integral part of being a conservative that we would have to violate, and I don’t think that will happen.
Leftists have no compunction at all about not only taking the laws up to the edge of legality, but overtly and deliberately crossing that line into illegality.
“Even Paul Ryan, the RINO of all RINOs questioned the suspicious results in California.”
Ryan playing Trotsky to the Democrat’s Stalin.
I’m in CA 39 and voted for Young Kim, who won the election until the fraud kicked in a few days later giving CA 39 to One Bill Gil Cisneros.
There was some tattooed chick in line in front of me who asked for and received a conditional ballot, meaning that she wasn’t registered to vote. This isn’t someone I’ve ever seen around town and I’ll bet that she was part of the fraud. Democrats have election theft down to a science, and the GOP is as usual too stupid or too complicit to demand a secure voting system.
I agree. It needs to be fought in other states, where they are sure to push it.
The question is what is the best way to fight it.
I think the first step would be awareness and education. That is why I posted the way I did on this thread to so many people-I cannot imagine I am the only one caught completely flat-footed by this practice. (By the way, thanks for that reasonable response-I fully expect to be called “defeatist”....I am an optimist by nature, and think I am simply being “realist” here.)
I live in the bluest of blue states, and I work in health care, and was horrified that they got a ballot question on the ballot about mandating nurse to patient ratios.
Most well meaning people might see that and think “Hey. What could be wrong with that? It sounds like a good idea...” and would vote for it.
But it would have been an incredibly destructive and counterproductive law if you understand hospital staffing issues. The fact that I understand that (to a degree) and being married to an RN who worked those kinds of issues, I was flabbergasted that it was put in front of people (who had no idea or exposure to the ramifications of voting for that) to become law.
I am opposed to ballot measures in general. Because I come from a blue state that decided, when the electorate returned a decision the government disagreed with, they simply disregarded it and did what they pleased. I believe ballot initiatives bypass the elected legislators and becomes a tyranny of the majority.
I understand others may disagree with that, but...having been under the thumb of it, I don’t like it.
Anyway, the first thing is to educate the public in a non-vitriolic way, just what this process of “ballot harvesting” is, and how it is vulnerable to abuse. It puts the ballots in the hands of unelected, un-approved persons (”volunteers”) who are openly and unashamedly biased.
It isn’t that I don’t think we can defeat them at their “game”...I simply think we won’t.
I took the time back in 2008 to read “Rules for Radicals”, and was so repulsed by it that I become angry when I hear conservatives on this very forum saying that we should adopt those tactics. (Not angry at them, per se, I think they are doing what we all are...wondering how to respond to the totalitarian thugs called “Democrats”)
I just don’t want to debase myself by doing that. Does it mean I will go extinct or die “politically”?
Maybe it does. But anyone who has real principles probably has something they might be prepared to “die” for rather than surrender.
Of course they will. Not letting them get away with it will be called "voter suppression."
We were fortunate that they believed their own Media about Felonia winning in a walk-away in 2016, and so got lazy.
They'll be coming for blood in 2020 and before. I think we have mere months before the stops are all out.
We might as well start pushing back now, because it will be too late in the middle of 2020.
Vote, vote, vote. What a laugh, laugh laugh.
Yes...does anyone wonder NOW why Maxine Waters was so cocksure that the Left was going to win in 2018 and Trump would be tossed out of office?
You can probably tell just how I was so disturbed by this. My wife and I were supposed to go out at 10:00 AM this morning, and I was so bent by this she had to go and let me finish what it was...she is good in that respect. Instead of hounding me, she figures out a way around it so it isn’t a conflict for us...lets me be “me”...
It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me rabidly anti-early voting/mail in voting/provisional voting/motor voting (except for those who have valid reasons (infirmity, military service, business out of state, etc)
It is far too open to fraud. And one of the hallmarks of a successful republic is that it does not presume good will and behavior on either the side of the government nor the populace.
Being subject to a government is at the best of times somewhat like being in prison. We're at the mercy of the rules of the joint.
Conservatives in this prison just kind of keep their heads down, work and serve their forever sentences.
The LeftoKKKrats have banded together into a psycho prison gang that is constantly threatening the other prisoners 24/7/365.
They're constantly shrieking how they're "gonna get us!" and planning and plotting how to jump us in the prison shower, bathrooms or our cells.
I'm getting sick of their bullMitt.
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