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Here's a Saudi 'war game' scenario demonstrating the peril of a post-Khashoggi period for the US
CNBC ^ | November 24, 2018 | Fred Kempe

Posted on 11/24/2018 8:45:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

• A nightmare scenario involving a potential armed showdown between Saudi Arabia and Iran would put America and President Trump in a high-stakes dilemma.

• U.S. policy performs best when focused on a longer-term strategic purpose. In the Middle East, the approach must be on preventing any new conflicts, ending civil wars and unlocking the region's human potential while opposing extremism, writes Atlantic Council President and CEO Fred Kempe.

• The U.S. and its Western allies should leverage the post-Khashoggi crisis to achieve some good in the Middle East, Kempe writes....

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1 posted on 11/24/2018 8:45:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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“In the Middle East, the approach must be on preventing any new conflicts, ending civil wars and unlocking the region’s human potential while opposing extremism, writes Atlantic Council President and CEO Fred Kempe.”

Ummm. No.

How about we make it clear that we have had it with muzzie crap.

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2 posted on 11/24/2018 8:47:36 PM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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How about we make it clear that we have had it with muzzie crap.

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Amen.


3 posted on 11/24/2018 8:52:01 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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I say let them kill each other.


4 posted on 11/24/2018 8:59:59 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NOBODY CARES ABOUT KHASHOGGI!

He was a terrorist scumbag, calling him a journalist is like referring to Hitler as a “simple art student”.


5 posted on 11/24/2018 9:03:35 PM PST by Shadow44
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6 posted on 11/24/2018 9:09:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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Amen to that, FRiend!

"I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces guarding our country and our way of life.
I am prepared to give my life in their defense."

7 posted on 11/24/2018 9:19:20 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (FMF Corpsman - Lima 3/5 RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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I think Khashoggi is gone and forgotten. This is called the period of MAGA.


8 posted on 11/24/2018 9:42:23 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history? The)
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Stay out of it and let them kill each other. Otherwise, it’s a proxy war between us and China/Russia, which it really kind of is, anyway. If we do end up getting involved, demonstrate a level of violence that would make a viking cringe.


9 posted on 11/24/2018 9:58:53 PM PST by qaz123
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The drive-bys are trying SO hard to get Trump into a muzzie mess. Muzzies kill muzzies all day long. Nothing new. Nothing we need to be involved in.


10 posted on 11/24/2018 10:03:30 PM PST by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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post-K LOL


11 posted on 11/24/2018 10:03:37 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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OK, lets start taking this apart.

"Nightmare scenario"

The Middle East is always a nightmare scenario.

"A Middle Eastern government analyst, when asked what risk keeps him awake at night, frames the scenario this way:"

If you're a insomniac, don't be a Middle East analyst, or maybe it will cure insomnia out of boredom of having nightmare scenarios constantly. This is also another unnamed source who should be smarter than to worry about idle speculation over a series of events that hasn't happened.

"Iranian-backed Houthi militia in Yemen break a fragile ceasefire..."

There isn't a ceasefire to break. Khasoggi's murder has already happened. If his death could break a ceasefire, it would have been a factor in creating the ceasefire in the first place.

"...However, he lacks the offensive and defensive wherewithal for a sustained war with Iran."

Say want you want about the Saudis, they aren't going to start a war with Iran they can't finish, and they won't start it without U.S. help. They may be desperate enough to ask Israelis for help. I'd expect them to double cross Israel right after its over, but they might ask.

The Houthi rebels are not going to break a nonexistent cease fire at the behest of Iran. The Iranian economy is on the brink, and hitting a half dozen refineries means Iran doesn't have a economy anymore. Iran can not survive a conflict right now either.

So we now have a "post-Khashoggi world" in the Middle East? We will be at the brink of war - in a few months - over a ceasefire that hasn't happened, over a journalist's murder?

These think tank types have a really high opinion of their insignificance.

12 posted on 11/24/2018 10:24:04 PM PST by Widget Jr
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Atlantic Council?

Wikipedia: Atlantic Council
In February 2009, James L. Jones, then-chairman of the Atlantic Council, stepped down in order to serve as President Obama’s new National Security Advisor and was succeeded by Senator Chuck Hagel. In addition, other Council members also left to serve the administration: Susan Rice as ambassador to the UN, Richard Holbrooke as the Special Representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, General Eric K. Shinseki as the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, and Anne-Marie Slaughter as Director of Policy Planning at the State Department. Four years later, Hagel stepped down to serve as US Secretary of Defense. Gen. Brent Scowcroft served as interim chairman of the organization’s Board of Directors until January 2014, when former ambassador to China and governor of Utah Jon Huntsman, Jr. was appointed...

Former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen called the Council a “pre-eminent think tank” with a “longstanding reputation”, and former U.S. Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN) noted that the Council is “held in high esteem within the Atlantic community”...
In 2017, Tom Bossert, previously a Nonresident Zurich Cyber Risk Fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Security Initiative, was appointed Homeland Security Advisor to the Trump administration...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council


13 posted on 11/24/2018 10:58:21 PM PST by MAGAthon
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"In the Middle East, the approach must be on preventing any new conflicts, ending civil wars and unlocking the region's human potential while opposing extremism filling the Persian Gulf with unicorns, writes Atlantic Council President and CEO Fred Kempe."

Fixed it.

More foreign policy elite nincompoopery that sees the defeat of the US and its allies as "strategic" victory.

14 posted on 11/24/2018 11:15:25 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: MAGAthon
I've never heard of them before, although they have been around for decades. Frederick Kempe is the current President and CEO of the Atlantic Council. Some on Wikipedia have the opinion it is a mouthpiece for the CIA, since it is made up largely by former CIA employees, as from the Wikipedia talk page on them atTalk:Atlantic Council - Article is extremely biased and lacks much needed criticism. Searching on google for the Atlantic Council on FR shows the low opinion of them is shared here as well.

My previous post explains what I think of Kempe's fear-mongering.

15 posted on 11/24/2018 11:40:13 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sick of long, expensive Middle East wars involving our troops.

Let them fight and let Israel play the balancing game, since it’s HER backyard.

Keep US troops out of it completely.

This has “stay out” written all over it.


16 posted on 11/25/2018 12:21:54 AM PST by gaijin
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I’m going to use that.


17 posted on 11/25/2018 1:09:02 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred is so smart. He thinks he can solve the world’s problems. Poor, silly Fred. He should get a real job.


18 posted on 11/25/2018 3:50:19 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (The denial of the authority of God is the central plank of the Progressive movement.)
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The only way I could care less about Khashoggi is if he had been a gangbanger in Chicago...


19 posted on 11/25/2018 4:09:00 AM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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"A nightmare scenario involving a potential armed showdown between Saudi Arabia and Iran would put America and President Trump in a high-stakes dilemma."

Because Kempe, in his globalist fantasy, wants to believe that the mullahs are nice and don't want to radicalize the whole Middle East and join the New Axis to nuke us.

"U.S. policy performs best when focused on a longer-term strategic purpose. In the Middle East, the approach must be on preventing any new conflicts, ending civil wars and unlocking the region's human potential while opposing extremism, writes Atlantic Council President and CEO Fred Kempe."

Because Kempe's fantasy says that his global rule can stop evil, murderous despots from wanting to conquer, so markets will be stable forever and under the complete control of him and his peers.

Globalists' narcissism has taken them to Kookyville. Several leftist billionaires have said that there will be no more wars. They're way out of touch.


20 posted on 11/25/2018 4:42:02 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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