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Grateful for Not Starving
townhall.com ^ | 11/21/18 | John Stossel

Posted on 11/22/2018 2:06:17 AM PST by a little elbow grease

When we celebrate Thanksgiving this week, I will give thanks for property rights.

Property rights allow each individual or family to do what we want with our small piece of the world without having to answer to the whole community.

On Thanksgiving, we'll probably be told to think of America as one big family -- and for some people, government is the head of that family. That idea warms the hearts of America's new "democratic socialists." But thinking like that nearly destroyed this nation before it began.

The Pilgrims at Plymouth didn't share a feast with Indians after arriving in 1620 because America was so filled with bounty.

Instead, the Pilgrims nearly starved to death. They'd tried to farm collectively -- the entire community owning all the land and sharing everything, like socialists. Gov. William Bradford wrote, "By the spring, our food stores were used up and people grew weak and thin. Some swelled with hunger."

Then, writes Bradford, "After much debate (I) assigned each family a parcel of land... (T)his had very good success, because it made every hand industrious."

Crop production increased because workers reaped direct benefits of their own effort. They stopped hoping someone else would do the hard work.

It's not that the Pilgrims were lazy or weak. They'd risked their lives to cross an ocean to try to build a community from scratch. But in tiny, often imperceptible ways, we each do a less efficient job, and pay less attention to the task at hand, if we think the whole community is responsible for that task.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: pilgrims; productivity; socialism
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Rush Limbaugh has been telling this important story in an even better way for a very long time.

He told the story yesterday on his show.

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Here's wishing everyone a gentle and meaningful Thanksgiving.

1 posted on 11/22/2018 2:06:17 AM PST by a little elbow grease
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To: a little elbow grease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ-kxKvYX7g

Rush Limbaugh - The Real Thanksgiving Story


2 posted on 11/22/2018 2:09:12 AM PST by a little elbow grease (duct tape and cable ties hold more worth than pussy hats andYOI! resistance)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1742553/posts

From a few years ago here: The Real Story of Thanksgiving (Rush Limbaugh) …… November 21, 2006 |


3 posted on 11/22/2018 2:14:45 AM PST by a little elbow grease (duct tape and cable ties hold more worth than pussy hats andYOI! resistance)
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To: a little elbow grease

thanks for this.


4 posted on 11/22/2018 2:24:41 AM PST by HypatiaTaught (Remember Kavanaugh)
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To: a little elbow grease

There you have it. The ONLY socialist agenda I ever heard that worked were the Kibitzes in Israel.

And even then i think it was short lived.

But why not just go shoot a deer or some wild animal that I thought were so abundant in America at the time?

If it’s a stupid question so be it :)

At least i’ll have an answer and won’t have to ask it again :)


5 posted on 11/22/2018 4:12:43 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: a little elbow grease
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6 posted on 11/22/2018 4:31:31 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: dp0622

I second the stupid question!
Stamp out ignorance one question at a time.
It does seem strange that nobody could shoot or trap well enough to escape starvation.


7 posted on 11/22/2018 4:41:24 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: HotHunt
Do we still have a huge backlog of cheese?

We should invite the Venezuelan people to a feast!

Cheese may not be a balanced diet, but when there’s nothing else in the pantry, it might seem like a feast.

Maybe we could use less gasohol, and provide some corn with it too!


8 posted on 11/22/2018 4:55:27 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Buttons12

Unless they were the equivalent of what we call city folks today, but i would imagine some who made the trip had some kind of hunting skills.

Maybe i am wrong in my assumption that there would have been many animals to kill and eat where they landed.

I’m terrible with history.


9 posted on 11/22/2018 4:55:29 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: a little elbow grease

The Pilgrims were also contracted to return gain to their secular sponsors. This was not a pure purposed religious mission. It was more a humanly calculated trade-off. The account also didn’t say that bartering and sharing ceased. But the scripture warned “be owing nothing to any man, except the ongoing debt of love.” Property was a necessary concept in order to be able to sensibly offer something before the love of God.

If we do not watch it, we shall once again be kneeling at the altar of self-thanks giving, and once again say “huh? what’s that? oh, that annoying wind, I am glad when it goes away” when the Holy Spirit breezes through.


10 posted on 11/22/2018 5:19:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: dp0622

Heh, heh, a `kibitzer’ is someone who looks over the shoulder of a card player and offers unsolicited advice.

The kibbutzim of Israel are collective farms & other enterprises, so collectivized that kibbutzniks never marry within the kibbutz, regarding each other as siblings even though unrelated. Turnover is high as many kibbutzniks seek a freer life elsewhere in Israel.


11 posted on 11/22/2018 5:33:32 AM PST by elcid1970 (My gun safe is saying, "Room for one more, honey!")
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lol

thanks for the correction!!


12 posted on 11/22/2018 5:40:54 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: dp0622

Just remember communism doesn’t work.


13 posted on 11/22/2018 5:44:26 AM PST by lizma2
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How could it?!?

I have a Dodge Challenger and LOVE it, but i’m still holding out hope for a Shelby one day or GT. :)

I always HATED when other workers didn’t work nearly as hard as me but got paid the same.

I would go mad on a commune and run screaming from insanity after a week.


14 posted on 11/22/2018 5:46:58 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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"There you have it. The ONLY socialist agenda I ever heard that worked were the Kibitzes in Israel."

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I think you meant "kibbutzes" in Israel

"Kibbitz" is a verb, not to be confused with kibbutz. To kibbitz means to stand around talking and making wisecracks.....

Happy Thanksgiving

15 posted on 11/22/2018 6:22:44 AM PST by a little elbow grease (duct tape and cable ties hold more worth than pussy hats andYOI! resistance)
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"Cheese may not be a balanced diet, but when there’s nothing else in the pantry, it might seem like a feast."

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LOL ..... it's a feast with some good pasta and broccoli.

;-)

16 posted on 11/22/2018 6:34:13 AM PST by a little elbow grease (duct tape and cable ties hold more worth than pussy hats andYOI! resistance)
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To: a little elbow grease

Well maybe they made wisecracks on the Kibbutz :)

thanks for correcting me. Would hate to misspell it again

Though i’m not quite sure where I would use the word Kibbutz again.

Likely here lol


17 posted on 11/22/2018 6:57:29 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: a little elbow grease

No one has rights to their bought and paid for property. Certainly not when having to set aside 4 months of income to pay the county taxes. If you want to do anything, you have to get permission and a government permit. Then, one day, they change the laws so you can no longer have x,y,z on your property. Can’t have a water well or septic without someone coming around to inspect or take away your rights to have water and orders you to install low water gizmos in your toilet and shower. Doesn’t matter that you use more water flushing and reflushing again, just so it’s a low water toilet. Doesn’t matter to them that you have pay to move the septic to 3 streets over and buy new property (that they can tax you for). No, there’s no such thing as a right to your own property.


18 posted on 11/22/2018 7:05:40 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: dp0622
But why not just go shoot a deer or some wild animal that I thought were so abundant in America at the time?

In England of that time only the Gentry or Nobility hunted. Unless you were a poacher and the Separatists were God-fearing people.

And remember they had spent a great deal of Holland where they had worked in the mills so no hunting there.

None of the Strangers would have been hunters either.

While they probably would have known how to trap rabbits, that was allowed with the landlords permission, they would have been used to using dogs. No dogs on the Mayflower.

And the guns they brought were not rifles for hunting but muskets for self defense.

They would have learned how to hunt with the bow later but in the beginning it would have not been a sure way of getting calories.

19 posted on 11/22/2018 7:13:05 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The gun explanation answers my biggest concern.

Thank you


20 posted on 11/22/2018 7:14:46 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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