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Trump tours Paradise area, calls wildfire a ‘really bad one’
Associated Press ^ | November 17th, 2018 | By JONATHAN LEMIRE

Posted on 11/17/2018 4:19:04 PM PST by Mariner

PARADISE, Calif. (AP) — From the ashes of a mobile home and RV park, President Donald Trump said Saturday he came to the heart of California’s killer wildfire to fully grasp the scale of the desolation wrought on the landscape.

“We’re going to have to work quickly. ... Hopefully this is going to be the last of these because this was a really, really bad one,” said the president, standing amid the crumpled foundations of homes and twisted steel of melted cars.

“I think everybody’s seen the light and I don’t think we’ll have this again to this extent,” Trump said in Paradise, the town largely destroyed by a wildfire ignited Nov. 8 that he called “this monster.”

With that bold and perhaps unlikely prediction, Trump pledged that improved forest management practices will diminish future risks. The declaration evoked his initial tweeted reaction to the fire, the worst in the state’s history, in which he seemed to blame local officials and threatened to take away federal funding.

When asked if seeing the historic devastation, which stretched for miles and left neighborhoods destroyed and fields scorched, altered his opinion on climate change, Trump answered, “No.”

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: trumpvisit; wildfires
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We must thin the dry under brush, clear cut fire breaks, implement prescribed burning and build those roads and bridges.

The timber companies will do that and pay us for the opportunity in many areas.

In the low hills and much of Socal, we'll have to pay folks to do it.

1 posted on 11/17/2018 4:19:04 PM PST by Mariner
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When asked if seeing the historic devastation, which stretched for miles and left neighborhoods destroyed and fields scorched, altered his opinion on climate change, Trump answered, “No.”


The global warming folks have really glommed onto these fires as evidence of global warming.

These fires happen every year, in California and other western states.

There are things we can do, to reduce the risk, and probably to improve fire fighting capabilities.

But to veer into a discussion of global warming, to deal with a threat that has been there since time immemorial, is nonsense.


2 posted on 11/17/2018 4:26:52 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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altered his opinion on climate change, Trump answered, “No.”

He is the no BS president.

3 posted on 11/17/2018 4:32:20 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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Wonder how many endangered species were killed and how many board feet lost.

I can't even comprehend the idea of human beings dying in these monstrous fires. God help us.

Revive the CCC Camps.

4 posted on 11/17/2018 4:38:32 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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The missing: http://www.buttecounty.net/Portals/24/pdf/11-16-18%20Unaccounted%20Persons2.pdf?ver=2018-11-17-084346-493

Mostly elderly. I’d bet any number wouldn’t be able to leave or wouldn’t be able to be on the road without meds. Then, there would be their pets. Mostly elderly. I’d lay $$ White, too.


5 posted on 11/17/2018 4:42:54 PM PST by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Meprry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And to think, just 6 months ago they were crying about too much rain.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/video/heavy-rain-in-northern-california-spurs-concerns-of-flooding-mudslides-1205166147897


6 posted on 11/17/2018 4:44:56 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Anyone venture to explain how it is that houses are burned down to their foundation, cars are burned empty shells in the streets, but the nearby trees still have their leaves.


7 posted on 11/17/2018 4:45:35 PM PST by odawg
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Widen the main escape roads. That would help with casualties.


8 posted on 11/17/2018 4:47:34 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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Reminds me of the town destroyed in RING OF FIRE (1961), before glo-bull warming was blamed on everything.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055374/


9 posted on 11/17/2018 4:48:47 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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I see the leeches Brown and Newsom were there sucking up.


10 posted on 11/17/2018 4:49:17 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The fires were caused by PG&E and SoCal Edison..not sure what global warming has to do with this..but of course commie libs will use ANYTHING to promote their far left agenda


11 posted on 11/17/2018 4:59:11 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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And MOONBEAM was crowing about the drought being over, what an ASS.


12 posted on 11/17/2018 4:59:12 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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Yeah because they want money..as soon as Trump leaves they will start trashing him


13 posted on 11/17/2018 4:59:36 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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“These fires happen every year, in California and other western states.”

Uh, no.

This wildfire consumed 140,000 acres, 10,000 buildings, hundreds of vehicles and killed at least 75 people.

Approximately 1,000 remain missing.

There was not a fire like this anywhere in the US in the last 100 years for sure.


14 posted on 11/17/2018 5:01:29 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Present Governor Edmund Gerald Brown Jr. looked like a Humble Bumble next to Trump.As an aside this is what our Grandson said.

True story,Grandson Gavin turned on the TV just as The President said,”Gavin’s committed,Everyone’s committed.He stopped it and reran it 4 times.He’s 7.He said is it because I’m from a Blue Ribbon School?I said “It’s because you will Pray”He said “I will everyday”


15 posted on 11/17/2018 5:09:57 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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Yes this fire is far worse than others..

My point was that fires happen all the time, and that the global warming people are blaming them.on global warming. There’s no question that this one is the worst in a century.


16 posted on 11/17/2018 5:48:38 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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If the fatality rate goes over 1200 or so, then this will be the largest death rate for such a fire in the history of North America if not the world.

The Peshtigo Fire death toll is around 1200, and even that is an estimate. Granmother claimed it was far more than that.


17 posted on 11/17/2018 7:30:02 PM PST by crz
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To: Mariner

Trump is SO RIGHT on many things, but in this case, he’s not.

At the risk of being attacked here, I must say the following CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM of Trump:

Trump’s comment about the California fire damage being mostly due to “forest mismanagement” is mostly wrong. Forest mismanagement is probably only a fraction of the reason.

After all, there were massive California fires long before humans did “forest management” by thinning and controlled burns.

He appears ignorant about California drought and high wind situations. It seems like he’s thinking like a provincial East coaster who doesn’t know about our California fire problems because it’s usually humid and green in Eastern U.S.

Recall when he bloviated 2 years ago that “there is no drought in California???” He was actually quoting a farmer he spoke to, but the media turned it into his opinion.

He totally blew it because by all standards of drought measurement (e.g. very very low precip for many years), we had a severe drought in California. You and I knew he meant to say that the drought is a market problem as we can usually find ways to produce water, for example, desalinization, if we simply want to pay more for water. But to the average voter, he just made himself look ignorant and insensitive.

As with his campaign comment about China & Japan “stealing US Jobs,” Trump’s bellicose ignorance and poor choice of words costs him (and conservatives) many many votes. I know for sure how that played in Japan is “You Japs are thieves.” As a result of that one statement, many many Japanese (and the Japanese media) turned against Trump. Fortunately he’s won them back by his successes with North Korea.

On China, he is correct to say they are stealing our patented technologies and that’s OK to offend them. They ARE thieves. But not the Japanese.

He could have accomplished the same effect during the campaign by stating the “Japanese and Chinese are OUTCOMPETING US, so we are losing jobs to them.” That’s the same statement without the insult to Japan.

I’m hoping that Trump will mature while in office and learn from his occasional poor choice of words that really backfire on himself.

He could be so much more effective with his trademark strong words if he were just more careful with his choice of words that accomplish the same effect.

Reagan knew this well. Trump doesn’t, but there is time for him to learn.


18 posted on 11/17/2018 7:52:38 PM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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At the risk of sounding hypersensitive to MSM over-the-top anti-Trump bias, does this AP headline seem just a bit loaded?

As in (reference to Trump's quote): "no s**t, Sherlock" being the logical response? And the headline writer knows it?

19 posted on 11/17/2018 8:03:24 PM PST by daler
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When asked if seeing the historic devastation, which stretched for miles and left neighborhoods destroyed and fields scorched, altered his opinion on climate change, Trump answered, “No.”

Did they ask him what he thought about Gov. Jerry Brown vetoing funds for forest management and how that made the disaster happen?

20 posted on 11/17/2018 9:14:39 PM PST by roadcat
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