[Jack Black]

One of the most thoughtful articles on the possibility of a second civil war. The author's sadness rings throughout the piece, it is almost a eulogy.

[Da Coyote]

This will have to happen.
The slimes will not give up, and those of us who actually can read and the understand the constitution will not allow such bottom dwellers to change it to the benefit of mentally challenged folks who don’t know who they are, what sex they are, what the requirements of a citizen are, or many other common sense items.
Sad, but one must wonder...better sooner or later?

[Jack Black]

CW II PING!

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII".
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[2banana]

Oh please - enough of the “both parties are equally at fault” meme...

“Both sides rush to tear down the constitutional order. Just since the 2016 election, we have witnessed a rolling thunder of Blue and Red elite rhetoric”

[Nateman]

All these bloodthirsty people itching for civil war. How about we try Article V first since it was made specifically to restore freedom without having to shoot anybody .

[the OlLine Rebel]

Actually, not “2nd”, as it rightfully points out much of our history has been civil war.

“For our part, we drove out 100,000 loyalists”

And kept many as well. Not all were driven out or wanted to leave.

“battles with Britain did not end until 1815.”

Actually they continued, as Britain tried to foothold in the west and even, to some extent, might have crept into the so-called Civil War.

[LeoWindhorse]

The wrong side won in 1865

[SES1066]

I recall the late, very great James Mcpherson speaking in Ken Burn’s “Civil War” and his penetrating insight into what changed in the language before and after that war. Before the US Civil War (USCW), it was common to say “these United States”, that is pluralized to show that the basic unit of the Union was the State in federation with the rest. After the war, it quickly became “The United States” as the individual states lost their sovereignty and became units of the whole.

Now, with all of the rhetoric that gets thrown around about a second US Civil War, some very pertinent differences need to be considered between then and now. Unlike the USCW, where the differences were very geographical, today’s philosophic divisions are far more like Britain’s 1640s Civil War where the factions, Royalists vs Parliamentarians, were intermixed throughout the country and that meant that the entire country became a potential battlefield.

Another item to consider long before we even come close to such a horror, the world is a much, much smaller place than it was in 1860 let alone 1640. We have competitors/enemies who would love us to turn inward and fight each other. While the French ‘dabbled’ in the British CW, and both Britain and France had diplomatic involvement in our USCW, a modern CW with the USofA turned inward, would unleash the currently restrained powers of China and Russia and make for a considerable change in the EU as well. No matter who would ‘win’ a USCW2, the world might make even the winner feel like a loser.

In short, we are becoming like the North & South of the 1850s, feeling like we need a CW to end this maddening polarity. My view is that this wish is almost sure to be fatal in the long run. I fear it greatly!

[Billthedrill]

There is a complication in today's political stance that makes an amicable separation unlikely, and I thought I'd point it out before the thread devolves into yet another interminable Lost Cause debate. It is this: that the animating ideology of the Left carries with it a requirement for world revolt, world transformation, world socialism, world government, world domination. Less will not suffice. If Clausewitz was correct that war is politics in another form, the opposite is equally true. The true line of demarcation here is freedom versus bovine herd obedience, and the elites are in favor of the latter because they imagine, to a single man and woman, themselves in charge.

Denials that their intention is not totalitarian ring false in view of such movements as mass migration and elite control of production under a spurious environmental flag. As Daniel Webster said, they mean to rule well, but they mean to rule, hopefully making things as comfortable as possible for we the ruled for our own good according to their judgment, and only so far as necessary. That we might not want to be ruled at all counts for nothing.

So no, no neatly geographically divided civil war this time, no overt force of arms with a sharply demarcated outcome. We are past the time when the Will to Rule had to disguise itself under fair euphemisms. It's out front now, that's the phase we're in if such things even have phases. And the reason the Left is so desperate to commandeer the resources of the state to fight it for them is that they'd lose it any other way.

[ealgeone]

Very sobering article.

[tomkat]

             

[Ransomed]

I’m not sure anything widespread or sustained can happen while the poorest are the most likely to be obese and are the most entertained poor people ever. Also, our poor people are generally not used to hard physical labor and generally are used to indoor climate controlled environments. These are things that have never happened before. So I guess you could say that there’s a first time for everything, but it would be hard for me to imagine.

Freegards

[ALASKA]

Exactly what I was going to say.

[ALASKA]

“There is plenty of evidence to suggest—culturally, politically, spiritually—that despite one side winning that conflict, they remained divided over the ensuing generations, albeit along shifting fault lines.”

I’ve never thought about it, but I think that claim is valid. And we’re coming full circle.

[dragnet2]

Most Americans have the blood of revolutionaries in their veins.

[Yosemitest]

IF you have your firearm, do you have PLENTY of ammo ?

You're really gonna' NEED it !


Georgia Arms Ammunition

[Georgia Girl 2]

Trump is just postponing it for 8 years. After he’s gone it’s a sure bet.

[combat_boots]

These recent elections have laid bare our descent into the Banana Republic of the United Socialist States, formerly known as America.

When people running elections permit such fraud, emailing in ballots, faxing in votes, counting ballots 6 or 8 times, and don’t even have the decency to recognize that this undermining of voter confidence is DESIGNED to remove legal reasons for the country to exist at all, there’s a heap of heLL coming this way.

A coming civil war? We’re in one right now. 700 +/- incidents against Trump supporters go unanswered and some screaming a$$ gets to hound a duly elected President. A tech mogul thinks he’s cute to blur out the Presidential Seal.

Yeah. “They better worry.”

[who_would_fardels_bear]

The only thing preventing the right from fully confronting the left in this brewing civil war is that most of us still have our jobs.

When a critical mass of conservatives are fired because of their associations with organizations labeled by the SPLC as hate groups, then and only then, will the right have nothing left to lose but to fight.

At some point all of us on FR will be linked to our screen names, FR will be labeled a hate group, and many of us will be fired because our companies don't want our sort of people working for them.

Then we will have to fight alongside The Proud Boys and the other alt-Right groups.

I admit that I am too afraid and too close to retirement to become openly antagonistic to the leftists. I speak my mind, but only among those who know me well.

The Occupy movement failed because it was too passive. All they did was block some entrances to some buildings. They basically did exactly what homeless people were already doing.

The Tea Party movement was a bit more successful as they actively supported specific candidates ... who unfortunately suffered one of three fates: unelected because viewed as too extreme, coopted by the swamp, or marginalized into meaningless committee appointments.

AntiFa and BLM are having much more success by using active violent tactics. The Black Panthers and other 60's groups had some success in advancing their agenda through violence and threats of violence, so why wouldn't we expect something like AntiFa and BLM to come about?

I don't see conservatives becoming violent. If every currently employed conservative went out on a walkout strike then that might send a message. What will most likely happen, however, is that we will be fired one-by-one and replaced by younger or immigrant workers. So our castigation will have little or no effect on the blessed economy.

So My vision is that we slowly sink into a European style quasi-socialist screw-topia. The final nail in the coffin will be the confiscation of guns which will happen despite the number of 2A stalwarts killed in standoffs with the police.

[matthew fuller]

For later reference.

[RoosterRedux]

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